1 00:00:02,168 --> 00:00:06,973 (MAN SINGING) 2 00:00:06,973 --> 00:00:11,511 3 00:00:11,511 --> 00:00:16,349 4 00:00:16,349 --> 00:00:20,720 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,559 6 00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:28,061 7 00:00:28,061 --> 00:00:32,699 Really close to me? 8 00:00:32,699 --> 00:00:37,203 9 00:00:37,203 --> 00:00:40,907 I could be certain 10 00:00:40,907 --> 00:00:44,611 11 00:00:44,611 --> 00:00:47,881 12 00:00:49,415 --> 00:00:53,386 13 00:00:54,621 --> 00:00:58,424 Care for me 14 00:00:59,959 --> 00:01:03,429 15 00:01:03,429 --> 00:01:06,900 16 00:01:09,435 --> 00:01:12,639 I've never worked out if The Zombies are lucky or unlucky. 17 00:01:15,441 --> 00:01:19,079 But there were times when luck wasn't quite on our side. 18 00:01:22,215 --> 00:01:24,450 (SIGHING) Nothing went to plan. 19 00:01:33,827 --> 00:01:35,461 (TIME OF THE SEASON BY THE ZOMBIES PLAYING) 20 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:49,375 YouTube found community, Zombies fans, random people on the Internet, 21 00:01:49,408 --> 00:01:51,377 my name is Giggens. 22 00:01:51,410 --> 00:01:54,948 We are here today to talk about the Zombie's 1968 album, Odessey and Oracle. 23 00:01:54,981 --> 00:01:58,952 Underrated as hell! It is chamber pop gold. 24 00:01:58,985 --> 00:02:00,253 What? Is this that song, that's like... 25 00:02:00,286 --> 00:02:02,088 Who's your daddy? 26 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:04,891 MAN: Right away. When it came on, I recognized it. 27 00:02:04,924 --> 00:02:06,559 That background with the... (VOCALIZING) 28 00:02:11,464 --> 00:02:15,635 29 00:02:15,669 --> 00:02:20,106 Essentially, after the recording of this album, The Zombies broke up. 30 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:23,443 It was only later that critics and music fans would welcome it 31 00:02:23,476 --> 00:02:28,414 into the club of the late 60 classics as one of the best records of all time, 32 00:02:28,448 --> 00:02:32,018 with one of the best songs of the decade, Time of the Season. 33 00:02:32,052 --> 00:02:34,854 I don't know if they still exist and still do songs and stuff? 34 00:02:34,888 --> 00:02:35,922 I'm really interested, you know. 35 00:02:38,224 --> 00:02:39,492 I'd like to meet some people. 36 00:02:40,526 --> 00:02:41,627 What is your name, please? 37 00:02:41,661 --> 00:02:44,430 -Rodney Terence Argent. -Hubert Grundy. 38 00:02:44,464 --> 00:02:47,167 -Paul Ashley Warren Atkinson. -Christopher Taylor White. 39 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,003 Colin Edward Michael Blunstone. 40 00:02:50,036 --> 00:02:52,238 -You probably know them better as The Zombies. - (CROWD CHEERING) 41 00:02:55,241 --> 00:02:58,344 You must tell me if I'm going on too much about something 42 00:02:58,377 --> 00:03:01,181 because I know I tend to go from one thing to another. 43 00:03:01,214 --> 00:03:04,517 I hope he's not giving all his stories away over there. 44 00:03:04,550 --> 00:03:07,453 My name is Rodney Terence Argent. 45 00:03:08,254 --> 00:03:10,456 Um... That's it. 46 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:15,161 I was born in Saint Allman's. obviously a wartime family. 47 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:19,632 My father was a self-taught pianist, and he had his own dance band 48 00:03:19,665 --> 00:03:23,336 from the age of 17 to the age of 83. 49 00:03:23,369 --> 00:03:27,941 I can't believe it. You know, we're getting towards that sort of area now. 50 00:03:29,709 --> 00:03:31,711 You want me to introduce myself? 51 00:03:31,745 --> 00:03:34,514 Okay. My name's Colin Blunstone. 52 00:03:34,547 --> 00:03:37,250 I'm the lead singer from The Zombies. 53 00:03:37,283 --> 00:03:40,053 My mother came from a big musical family. 54 00:03:40,086 --> 00:03:42,688 Every Christmas we had our own dance band, 55 00:03:42,722 --> 00:03:47,426 and maybe that did affect me because as a child I sang all the time. 56 00:03:47,460 --> 00:03:49,863 My neighbors who didn't know my name, 57 00:03:49,896 --> 00:03:52,365 just called me, "the boy who sings." 58 00:03:52,398 --> 00:03:54,333 Whenever I was involved in music, 59 00:03:54,367 --> 00:03:58,171 I just felt at ease, and I felt like I was at home. 60 00:03:59,205 --> 00:04:01,507 It was how I expressed myself really, 61 00:04:01,541 --> 00:04:05,411 through strength or excitement or sadness. 62 00:04:05,444 --> 00:04:10,716 I remember my parents buying me a harmonica when I was six-years-old. 63 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:13,853 And I could immediately play it because I could somehow, 64 00:04:13,887 --> 00:04:17,190 visually see where the scale was. 65 00:04:17,223 --> 00:04:22,028 It felt that natural to me. And my mum... Bless her. 66 00:04:22,062 --> 00:04:25,965 When I was nine, she said, "You ought to get into a church choir." 67 00:04:27,801 --> 00:04:29,936 I went along to the first rehearsal. 68 00:04:29,969 --> 00:04:32,839 I remember singing the first chorus of Bark Saint Matthew Passion 69 00:04:36,442 --> 00:04:37,811 Ah, I just melted. 70 00:04:37,844 --> 00:04:39,779 It had that profound effect on me. 71 00:04:39,813 --> 00:04:41,747 It was this fantastic world of harmony, 72 00:04:41,781 --> 00:04:43,749 which was different to pop music. 73 00:04:43,783 --> 00:04:47,921 Hearing 400 years of some of the best classical music ever written 74 00:04:47,954 --> 00:04:51,958 gave me the most extraordinary exposure. 75 00:04:51,991 --> 00:04:57,630 And one day when I was 11, I wandered down to my cousin's house, Jim Rodford. 76 00:04:57,663 --> 00:05:00,166 He was a bit of a mentor all my life, really. 77 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:02,135 And in this wonderful rock and roll group, 78 00:05:02,168 --> 00:05:05,071 the Bluetones, later were, were the Kinks, 79 00:05:05,105 --> 00:05:06,806 and he was playing me a couple of records, 80 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:10,076 and I sort of said, "Yeah, it's okay. It doesn't... 81 00:05:10,110 --> 00:05:13,246 "You know, I'm not completely knocked out but it's all right." 82 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,615 You know, he said, "Well, let me play you this." 83 00:05:15,648 --> 00:05:18,351 And he put on Elvis' Hound Dog. 84 00:05:18,351 --> 00:05:21,087 But a hound dog... 85 00:05:22,388 --> 00:05:25,625 And my whole world was blown away. 86 00:05:25,658 --> 00:05:28,962 And to my parents' horror, for the next six months, 87 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:33,499 I didn't want to do anything but listen to the rawest rock and roll I could find. 88 00:05:33,499 --> 00:05:36,102 But all their lips were tight 89 00:05:36,136 --> 00:05:38,604 My really formative years would have been listening 90 00:05:38,638 --> 00:05:43,843 to Little Richard, Chuck Berry and then later on Buddy Holly... 91 00:05:43,843 --> 00:05:46,612 92 00:05:46,646 --> 00:05:49,215 and Ricky Nelson was a big favorite with me. 93 00:05:49,215 --> 00:05:52,018 That you think about me 94 00:05:52,018 --> 00:05:54,187 95 00:05:54,220 --> 00:05:57,223 And eventually I begged for a guitar. 96 00:05:57,256 --> 00:05:59,993 And it wasn't easy for my parents to afford it, 97 00:06:00,026 --> 00:06:03,062 but I eventually got a guitar when I was about 12, 98 00:06:03,096 --> 00:06:05,966 and then I could accompany myself. 99 00:06:05,999 --> 00:06:09,869 RODNEY: This was all within the background of an England that was emerging 100 00:06:09,903 --> 00:06:14,674 from a lot of privation from wartime conditions. 101 00:06:14,707 --> 00:06:17,810 There was a real upsurge of energy, 102 00:06:17,843 --> 00:06:20,246 and I believed that particular time 103 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,716 was a magic crucible for music in the UK. 104 00:06:23,749 --> 00:06:26,319 I always considered that I was incredibly lucky 105 00:06:26,352 --> 00:06:29,889 to be growing up absolutely in that time period. 106 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:33,359 I had to try and form a band. 107 00:06:33,393 --> 00:06:38,198 When I was 15, I went to visit a friend of mine in the folk club 108 00:06:38,231 --> 00:06:40,700 and in the corner there was a guitarist, 109 00:06:40,733 --> 00:06:43,536 and I thought, ah, he's got a really nice groove. 110 00:06:43,569 --> 00:06:46,105 I just walked up to him and said, "I'm sorry, you don't know me," 111 00:06:46,139 --> 00:06:47,907 you know, "Do you want to be in a band?" 112 00:06:47,941 --> 00:06:49,575 And he said, "Yeah, I don't mind if I do." 113 00:06:50,576 --> 00:06:53,913 Hello. Lucy Marie Atkinson. 114 00:06:53,947 --> 00:06:58,051 I'm the daughter of Paul Atkinson, the guitar player of the Zombies. 115 00:06:58,084 --> 00:07:03,957 His parents bought him this really expensive violin, and he hated playing it. 116 00:07:03,990 --> 00:07:06,625 He was at school one day, and one of the older boys 117 00:07:06,659 --> 00:07:10,430 had a rusty old guitar and asked to swap. 118 00:07:10,463 --> 00:07:12,532 And he did. 119 00:07:12,565 --> 00:07:15,935 RODNEY: One of my best friends at the time, he was building a bass guitar, 120 00:07:15,969 --> 00:07:18,438 and I said, "How's that coming on? Have you finished yet?" 121 00:07:18,471 --> 00:07:19,939 He said, "Yeah, I've just finished it." 122 00:07:19,973 --> 00:07:21,474 I said, "Fantastic." 123 00:07:21,507 --> 00:07:23,109 I said, "You can be a bass player in a group." 124 00:07:23,142 --> 00:07:24,544 And I thought, "Right, here we go." 125 00:07:24,577 --> 00:07:27,780 There was an Army Corps at the school. 126 00:07:27,813 --> 00:07:32,585 I tried to look at the drummer who had the best sense of rhythm... 127 00:07:32,618 --> 00:07:34,454 just playing... (VOCALIZING) 128 00:07:34,487 --> 00:07:36,256 (MARCHING BAND MUSIC PLAYING) 129 00:07:36,289 --> 00:07:38,824 My name is Hugh Birch Grundy. 130 00:07:38,857 --> 00:07:41,727 I was a lazy type chap, really, and if I could get out of sports... 131 00:07:42,528 --> 00:07:44,230 uh, I would. 132 00:07:44,264 --> 00:07:48,167 The cadets had a marching band and we would parade through Saint Albans. 133 00:07:48,201 --> 00:07:50,570 And this is where vanity came in. 134 00:07:50,603 --> 00:07:53,506 Because I thought I would rather prefer to be up front 135 00:07:53,539 --> 00:07:57,810 where I am more seen by the young ladies of the town. 136 00:07:57,843 --> 00:07:59,579 So I applied to join the drums. 137 00:07:59,612 --> 00:08:02,748 I went up to him and said, "Do you want to be in a band?" 138 00:08:02,782 --> 00:08:04,250 And I immediately said yes. 139 00:08:04,284 --> 00:08:06,952 RODNEY: And I thought that was going to be the band. 140 00:08:06,986 --> 00:08:10,023 COLIN: It was only a coincidence that I joined The Zombies in the first place. 141 00:08:10,056 --> 00:08:14,094 Paul Arnold turned to me one day and said, "You've got a guitar, haven't you?" 142 00:08:14,127 --> 00:08:16,195 And I said, "Yeah." 143 00:08:16,229 --> 00:08:19,132 And the next question was, "Do you want to be in a band?" 144 00:08:19,165 --> 00:08:20,966 And because of my sports commitments, 145 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,303 I wasn't sure if I had time to be in a band. 146 00:08:23,336 --> 00:08:25,204 I liked the idea of it. 147 00:08:25,238 --> 00:08:28,674 Attracting girls and drinking beer 148 00:08:28,707 --> 00:08:31,511 always seemed like a very worthwhile occupation to me, 149 00:08:31,544 --> 00:08:33,046 when I was in my teens. 150 00:08:33,079 --> 00:08:36,116 -I was going to be the singer. -Rod was going to be the lead singer. 151 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:38,817 I joined as a rhythm guitarist. 152 00:08:38,851 --> 00:08:42,622 RODNEY: And we met for the very first time outside a pub in Saint Albans. 153 00:08:42,655 --> 00:08:45,191 And three days before I had broken my nose. 154 00:08:45,225 --> 00:08:47,160 RODNEY: He was a keen rugby player 155 00:08:47,193 --> 00:08:49,462 and he'd had an accident on the field. 156 00:08:49,495 --> 00:08:52,831 White tape all across my face, two black eyes. 157 00:08:52,865 --> 00:08:55,000 And I know Rod, for one, 158 00:08:55,034 --> 00:08:58,571 was really hoping that I wasn't there to meet them 159 00:08:58,604 --> 00:09:01,006 because I looked a bit fearsome. 160 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,809 I probably looked a bit like a zombie. 161 00:09:03,842 --> 00:09:07,580 And we all walked down to a place called the Pioneer Youth Club. 162 00:09:07,613 --> 00:09:09,915 Rod's cousin played in the band. 163 00:09:09,948 --> 00:09:13,419 He said, "Well, look, just try it with our equipment, see, see how you get on." 164 00:09:14,453 --> 00:09:15,788 (ALL VOCALIZING OVER TAPE) 165 00:09:18,924 --> 00:09:20,193 (STRUMMING GUITAR OVER TAPE) 166 00:09:20,226 --> 00:09:22,595 -MAN 1 OVER TAPE: Okay, then. -MAN 2 OVER TAPE: A and D, right? 167 00:09:22,628 --> 00:09:23,563 Right? A one... 168 00:09:23,596 --> 00:09:25,531 -What are the chords? -Just D and G and A. 169 00:09:25,565 --> 00:09:27,933 You know, it's sort of... A one two, three four. 170 00:09:27,966 --> 00:09:29,569 (GUITAR PLAYING) 171 00:09:29,569 --> 00:09:31,504 (SINGING) Bumchiwadi-wadi 172 00:09:31,537 --> 00:09:33,773 - your teddy bear -(WHISTLING) 173 00:09:33,806 --> 00:09:34,907 (ALL LAUGHING) 174 00:09:36,942 --> 00:09:39,878 Jim said to us, "Don't bother, lads. 175 00:09:39,912 --> 00:09:41,447 "I don't think you're going to go anywhere." 176 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,048 Which, of course, I think, was the spur. 177 00:09:43,082 --> 00:09:45,818 Maybe that we needed to encourage us to go further. 178 00:09:46,885 --> 00:09:49,722 RODNEY: Paul played all chordal stuff. 179 00:09:49,755 --> 00:09:55,060 And he was an unusual guitarist and really put his stamp on part of the band. 180 00:09:55,094 --> 00:09:57,463 Dear Paul, who, sadly, no longer with us, 181 00:09:57,496 --> 00:10:00,233 seemed absolutely right to fit in. 182 00:10:00,266 --> 00:10:01,900 He didn't want to be the front man. 183 00:10:01,934 --> 00:10:03,736 He's not shredding... 184 00:10:03,769 --> 00:10:05,938 He's not doing any two minute solos or anything. 185 00:10:05,971 --> 00:10:07,906 He was a team player. 186 00:10:07,940 --> 00:10:11,311 RODNEY: In the early days of rehearsing, I persuaded him to improvise, 187 00:10:11,344 --> 00:10:13,313 and I said, "Well, just play anything first of all 188 00:10:13,346 --> 00:10:16,115 "and then adapt it, see where your sense takes you." 189 00:10:16,149 --> 00:10:17,283 And he was very musical. 190 00:10:18,984 --> 00:10:22,555 COLIN: Paul was very good at supporting Rod. 191 00:10:22,588 --> 00:10:25,725 And at our first rehearsal we had a coffee break, 192 00:10:25,758 --> 00:10:28,628 by chance there was a broken down piano. 193 00:10:28,661 --> 00:10:31,063 RODNEY: And I played Nut Rocker 194 00:10:31,096 --> 00:10:33,098 by Bee Bumble and the Stingers. 195 00:10:33,132 --> 00:10:37,237 It was a hit at the time, the rock and roll take on a classical piece. 196 00:10:37,270 --> 00:10:40,306 And he was so much better than us. 197 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:44,344 We were fairly ordinary, but Rod, even at 15, 198 00:10:44,377 --> 00:10:47,480 was spectacular, and I didn't know him. 199 00:10:47,513 --> 00:10:50,416 I just met him and I went over and said to him, 200 00:10:50,449 --> 00:10:52,352 "You know, you should play keyboards in this band." 201 00:10:52,385 --> 00:10:54,754 Well, no, no, no, no. I'm the singer. 202 00:10:54,787 --> 00:10:57,490 I'm going to, you know... And I was really confused, you know? 203 00:10:57,523 --> 00:10:59,292 It's got to be rock and roll band. 204 00:10:59,325 --> 00:11:02,428 We want three guitars, no keyboards. 205 00:11:02,461 --> 00:11:04,764 And then, just at the end of the rehearsal, 206 00:11:04,797 --> 00:11:08,434 I was just putting my guitar away, singing to myself. 207 00:11:08,467 --> 00:11:10,603 Colin started singing a Ricky Nelson song. 208 00:11:10,636 --> 00:11:12,938 And I thought he sounded fantastic, 209 00:11:12,971 --> 00:11:15,208 and I walked up to him and I said... 210 00:11:15,241 --> 00:11:18,711 "Okay, you've got to be the singer." I said, I'll play piano. 211 00:11:18,744 --> 00:11:22,215 And that's how I became the lead singer in the Zombies. 212 00:11:22,248 --> 00:11:24,049 My audition was fairly informal. 213 00:11:25,751 --> 00:11:28,120 RODNEY: Names were the hardest thing in the world. 214 00:11:28,153 --> 00:11:30,390 We were desperate for a name. 215 00:11:30,423 --> 00:11:34,159 It just seemed impossible and embarrassing most of the time. 216 00:11:34,193 --> 00:11:36,562 COLIN: We'd been the Mustangs for about a week, 217 00:11:36,595 --> 00:11:40,032 and we realized there were hundreds of bands called The Mustangs. 218 00:11:40,065 --> 00:11:43,001 RODNEY: The Searchers got their name from a John Wayne film, 219 00:11:43,035 --> 00:11:45,037 and we were looking around at films. 220 00:11:45,070 --> 00:11:50,476 To my complete shame, I came up with the name the Sundowners. 221 00:11:50,509 --> 00:11:53,145 I thought it might be a reasonably catchy name. 222 00:11:53,178 --> 00:11:55,180 No one else had any ideas. 223 00:11:55,214 --> 00:11:58,651 We were the Sundowners, but then I thought, no. No one was happy with it. 224 00:11:58,684 --> 00:12:01,687 And then one day, Paul came up with the name the Zombies. 225 00:12:01,721 --> 00:12:04,223 I loved it immediately, and Colin hated it. 226 00:12:04,257 --> 00:12:05,658 He absolutely hated it. 227 00:12:05,691 --> 00:12:07,660 COLIN: I didn't know what a zombie was. 228 00:12:07,693 --> 00:12:10,996 I still don't know what a zombie is, really. 229 00:12:11,029 --> 00:12:12,965 I wanted us to be something like, you know... 230 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,069 The Rocking Thunder Balls or something. 231 00:12:17,102 --> 00:12:20,873 Something dramatic, which would be absolutely terrible. 232 00:12:20,906 --> 00:12:25,378 I'm embarrassed to say. Oh, God, the Sundowners. 233 00:12:25,411 --> 00:12:27,280 ( STICKS AND STONES BY THE ZOMBIES PLAYING) 234 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,215 About breaking off 235 00:12:30,215 --> 00:12:33,652 236 00:12:33,652 --> 00:12:36,456 May break my bones 237 00:12:36,456 --> 00:12:39,024 238 00:12:39,057 --> 00:12:42,027 COLIN: The original bass player. He wanted to be a doctor. 239 00:12:42,060 --> 00:12:45,765 He retired at a very early age from the music business. 240 00:12:45,798 --> 00:12:47,633 And Chris White arrived. 241 00:12:47,666 --> 00:12:50,636 Christopher Taylor White. 242 00:12:50,669 --> 00:12:52,905 I loved music, so I played in several groups. 243 00:12:52,938 --> 00:12:56,742 A friend of mine said his brother wanted to leave the band. 244 00:12:56,776 --> 00:12:58,210 So he said, "Would you come along to a rehearsal 245 00:12:58,243 --> 00:12:59,979 "and see if you can join?" 246 00:13:00,012 --> 00:13:02,482 Am I gonna fit in here? That's the first thing you think. 247 00:13:02,515 --> 00:13:04,550 And then, what have I got to learn? 248 00:13:04,583 --> 00:13:07,052 Because they'd been together about a year and a half. 249 00:13:07,085 --> 00:13:09,154 Normally the bass player and the drummer, 250 00:13:09,187 --> 00:13:12,892 they're a very close unit because they're the rhythm section. 251 00:13:12,925 --> 00:13:16,629 After about six weeks of Chris White coming in and playing bass, 252 00:13:16,662 --> 00:13:19,899 Hugh Grundy came up and whispered in my ear at rehearsal, 253 00:13:19,932 --> 00:13:22,100 "Who's this bloke who keeps coming in?" 254 00:13:22,134 --> 00:13:24,169 They hadn't spoken. 255 00:13:24,202 --> 00:13:26,305 HUGH: And we got to know each other better and better. 256 00:13:26,339 --> 00:13:31,109 And Chris and I found that we fitted in, a mental allegiance, as it were. 257 00:13:31,143 --> 00:13:33,679 We really had the same taste in music, and that's how it all started. 258 00:13:35,981 --> 00:13:38,918 HUGH: We would rehearse regularly and we would get better and better, 259 00:13:38,951 --> 00:13:42,855 and we then got to a point where we could actually go out and and play. 260 00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:48,528 I'm the only one... 261 00:13:48,561 --> 00:13:53,332 ROD: The very first one that I remember was when we played at a youth club. 262 00:13:53,366 --> 00:13:57,537 COLIN: It was a dance for teenagers, and I'd got this microphone 263 00:13:57,570 --> 00:14:00,373 that would feedback all the time. 264 00:14:00,406 --> 00:14:04,009 But I was loving it so much, I didn't care at all. 265 00:14:04,043 --> 00:14:06,946 HUGH: We started there and we played some of the smaller clubs 266 00:14:06,979 --> 00:14:10,315 and ballrooms and places in Saint Albans. 267 00:14:10,349 --> 00:14:13,953 COLIN: But we had to work really hard to get any kind of following. 268 00:14:13,986 --> 00:14:17,590 We were playing in working men's clubs who weren't paying much attention to us. 269 00:14:18,256 --> 00:14:20,125 We would play anywhere. 270 00:14:20,158 --> 00:14:23,563 And they weren't particularly glamorous places to start with. 271 00:14:23,596 --> 00:14:26,566 We charged six pounds a night, 272 00:14:26,599 --> 00:14:30,669 and five pounds would go towards buying new equipment. 273 00:14:30,703 --> 00:14:33,238 And one pound was for everyone's bus fares. 274 00:14:33,271 --> 00:14:39,344 And we would carry all the gear on a, on a bus until we got transport. 275 00:14:39,378 --> 00:14:41,847 HUGH: Our first vehicle was a scooter. 276 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:46,351 COLIN: Hugh used to get him, his drum kit, me, and my guitar, 277 00:14:46,385 --> 00:14:48,588 on his Lambretta scooter 278 00:14:48,621 --> 00:14:51,156 when we were getting a bit more big-time. 279 00:14:51,189 --> 00:14:54,359 We used to go touring around in an old ice-cream van. 280 00:14:54,393 --> 00:14:56,929 RICHARD: That's when I learned to sleep anywhere to be quite honest. 281 00:14:56,962 --> 00:15:00,198 You came back late from a gig and drafty bands, 282 00:15:00,232 --> 00:15:02,602 pumping out smoke and everything. 283 00:15:02,635 --> 00:15:05,571 COLIN: And somehow we used to get to the gigs. 284 00:15:05,605 --> 00:15:09,542 When you're 15 or 16-years-old, to have that sort of love, 285 00:15:09,575 --> 00:15:12,044 and something that's actually working, 286 00:15:12,077 --> 00:15:16,048 and getting you credibility with your school friends. 287 00:15:16,081 --> 00:15:17,783 That was really like magic. 288 00:15:17,816 --> 00:15:19,785 We were totally in love with rock and roll, 289 00:15:19,818 --> 00:15:22,721 and we loved playing our early gigs. 290 00:15:22,721 --> 00:15:27,292 Been broke a thousand times 291 00:15:27,292 --> 00:15:30,996 I think you're going to stay 292 00:15:30,996 --> 00:15:34,232 All the nights are gone, Memories that go 293 00:15:34,232 --> 00:15:38,437 Bringing you back again, Hurting me more and more 294 00:15:38,437 --> 00:15:41,807 295 00:15:41,807 --> 00:15:43,976 I feel inside 296 00:15:45,844 --> 00:15:48,747 I feel you come closer 297 00:15:48,747 --> 00:15:50,650 298 00:15:50,650 --> 00:15:52,184 has stopped beating 299 00:15:52,184 --> 00:15:53,519 300 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:56,254 Oh, I love you 301 00:15:56,254 --> 00:15:57,856 - -CHORUS: 302 00:15:57,856 --> 00:15:58,991 303 00:16:00,926 --> 00:16:03,062 (CROWD CHEERING) 304 00:16:03,095 --> 00:16:07,299 Eventually we entered a rock and roll competition. 305 00:16:07,332 --> 00:16:08,734 It was called The Heartbeat. 306 00:16:08,767 --> 00:16:11,504 And we said, "Well, let's try it and see what happens." 307 00:16:11,537 --> 00:16:15,007 'Cause they were going to go to college and I was going to be an art teacher. 308 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,511 COLIN: It was sponsored by a major London newspaper, 309 00:16:18,544 --> 00:16:21,113 and people came from all over the country. 310 00:16:21,146 --> 00:16:26,519 There were 10 bands a night and it ran for 10 days, so it was 100 bands. 311 00:16:26,552 --> 00:16:28,787 HUGH: First heat came along and all the bands, various players. 312 00:16:28,821 --> 00:16:30,322 There were judges there. 313 00:16:30,355 --> 00:16:31,957 COLIN: It was a big show for us. 314 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:36,662 At Watford Town Hall, there were 2,000 people there screaming. 315 00:16:36,696 --> 00:16:40,132 They had scarves and rosettes and the colors of the bands. 316 00:16:40,165 --> 00:16:42,935 I remember they had these sort of noisemaker things. 317 00:16:42,968 --> 00:16:45,470 It was like playing a sports match, 318 00:16:45,504 --> 00:16:49,141 and amazingly, I think we all felt fairly relaxed. 319 00:16:49,174 --> 00:16:51,043 I know I did. 320 00:16:51,076 --> 00:16:53,646 I think, probably because I didn't think we stood a chance. 321 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:56,281 At that point, it was just fun. 322 00:16:56,314 --> 00:16:59,018 HUGH: As it so happened, we won that first heat, 323 00:16:59,051 --> 00:17:01,787 which allowed us to go back to the final. 324 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:05,624 We had very little hope, really, of, of winning it, but we did. 325 00:17:05,658 --> 00:17:07,125 I was astounded. 326 00:17:07,159 --> 00:17:08,894 We won it. 327 00:17:08,928 --> 00:17:13,131 And it was then, for the first time, I dared to think 328 00:17:13,165 --> 00:17:16,669 there could be a way ahead for us as a professional band. 329 00:17:16,702 --> 00:17:18,738 And I think it affected everybody in the same way. 330 00:17:18,771 --> 00:17:20,138 But we didn't talk about it. 331 00:17:21,173 --> 00:17:23,075 It was just a thought. 332 00:17:23,108 --> 00:17:23,909 Maybe... 333 00:17:25,177 --> 00:17:26,812 (SUMMERTIME BY THE ZOMBIES PLAYING) 334 00:17:28,948 --> 00:17:31,784 335 00:17:32,918 --> 00:17:35,788 To wake up singing 336 00:17:37,189 --> 00:17:40,292 Spread your wings 337 00:17:40,292 --> 00:17:43,228 338 00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:46,966 339 00:17:48,867 --> 00:17:53,639 Going to harm you 340 00:17:53,639 --> 00:17:58,744 With your mommy and daddy There standing by 341 00:18:00,813 --> 00:18:03,783 Let's face it, we're still young and we've got chances. 342 00:18:03,816 --> 00:18:07,385 Still got the idea of university in the background, but it is in the background. 343 00:18:07,419 --> 00:18:10,022 Paul came from a very strict background, to be quite honest. 344 00:18:10,055 --> 00:18:12,858 His father was in business and everything, 345 00:18:12,891 --> 00:18:15,427 and they didn't want him to be in a band. 346 00:18:15,460 --> 00:18:19,131 There was no recognition that he was working his arse off. 347 00:18:19,164 --> 00:18:22,567 My dad would have been considered quite a rebel back in that day. 348 00:18:22,601 --> 00:18:24,603 It took a lot of guts to do what he did. 349 00:18:26,806 --> 00:18:28,874 (YOU MAKE ME FEEL GOOD BY THE ZOMBIES PLAYING) 350 00:18:31,143 --> 00:18:35,547 Do you, baby? 351 00:18:38,984 --> 00:18:42,888 Know that by now 352 00:18:42,921 --> 00:18:45,457 COLIN: From winning that rock and roll competition, 353 00:18:45,490 --> 00:18:47,827 we got a contract with Decca Records. 354 00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:51,630 HUGH: And they said, "Time to go into the studio and record some songs." 355 00:18:51,664 --> 00:18:55,233 COLIN: We were introduced to a producer called Ken Jones, 356 00:18:55,267 --> 00:18:59,171 and he was giving us a pep-talk of the sessions in a couple of weeks' time. 357 00:18:59,204 --> 00:19:01,774 "You guys could always write something, you know." 358 00:19:01,807 --> 00:19:04,576 It didn't make a particularly big impression on me because I thought it was 359 00:19:04,609 --> 00:19:06,679 a slightly different part of the business. 360 00:19:06,712 --> 00:19:11,416 But to their eternal credit, Rod and Chris saw it in a different way 361 00:19:11,449 --> 00:19:14,353 and they went away and they wrote two cracking songs. 362 00:19:14,386 --> 00:19:16,922 RODNEY: The idea of success was very much on their mind, 363 00:19:16,955 --> 00:19:21,426 and you only had the naivety and arrogance of youth once. 364 00:19:22,695 --> 00:19:24,596 And that's a very powerful thing. 365 00:19:24,629 --> 00:19:27,265 I wrote, You Make Me Feel Good with acoustic guitars, 366 00:19:27,299 --> 00:19:29,702 just working on the basic principles of it. 367 00:19:29,735 --> 00:19:33,105 And I thought, "Yeah, I can write something that's as good as the Beatles." 368 00:19:33,138 --> 00:19:36,508 And the recording is going to sound fabulous. 369 00:19:36,541 --> 00:19:40,679 I got some of my blues records out and one was a John Lee Hooker album 370 00:19:40,713 --> 00:19:43,348 and there was a song on it called No one Told Me. 371 00:19:43,382 --> 00:19:45,650 I just liked the way those words tripped off my tongue. 372 00:19:45,684 --> 00:19:48,353 And I thought, right, let's start a story. 373 00:19:48,387 --> 00:19:52,157 I want the melody to be very bluesy, to start with a broken rhythm 374 00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:56,695 in the way that Ringo always used to do the early stuff with the Beatles. 375 00:19:56,729 --> 00:19:59,497 And then I wanted the harmony to fill out the second section 376 00:19:59,531 --> 00:20:04,469 and build into a big climax with us changing the harmonies underneath it. 377 00:20:04,502 --> 00:20:08,240 And then finishing on a major chord and then falling down. 378 00:20:08,273 --> 00:20:10,776 And, and it was just like a relationship story. 379 00:20:10,776 --> 00:20:13,245 And I wrote... (SINGING) Do, do, do, do, do 380 00:20:13,278 --> 00:20:15,013 ( SHE'S NOT THERE BY THE ZOMBIES PLAYING) 381 00:20:15,013 --> 00:20:18,951 Told me about her 382 00:20:18,951 --> 00:20:20,052 383 00:20:22,087 --> 00:20:26,358 Told me about her 384 00:20:26,358 --> 00:20:27,325 385 00:20:28,761 --> 00:20:32,397 To say you're sorry 386 00:20:32,397 --> 00:20:36,268 Why should I care? 387 00:20:36,268 --> 00:20:39,704 Tryin' t o find her 388 00:20:39,704 --> 00:20:42,540 389 00:20:42,540 --> 00:20:45,377 About the way she looked 390 00:20:45,377 --> 00:20:48,948 And the color of her hair 391 00:20:48,948 --> 00:20:52,417 Her eyes were clear and bright 392 00:20:52,417 --> 00:20:54,820 393 00:20:57,422 --> 00:21:00,793 COLIN: Of course, eventually, we got a big name manager. 394 00:21:00,826 --> 00:21:03,295 He was very powerful and influential. 395 00:21:03,328 --> 00:21:05,597 We were introduced to him through our producer, 396 00:21:05,630 --> 00:21:09,601 and he managed to get us TVs, live radios, national press. 397 00:21:12,137 --> 00:21:14,739 (ALL SINGING) 398 00:21:14,773 --> 00:21:16,809 ANNOUNCER: Tonight on Halabaloo... 399 00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:18,076 (ALL SINGING) 400 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:20,813 ANNOUNCER: Come on where the action is. 401 00:21:20,846 --> 00:21:25,717 Maybe she's not there, but they're here and they're the Zombies! 402 00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:27,987 COLIN: When She's Not There was first released, 403 00:21:28,020 --> 00:21:31,556 it went on to a panel show in the UK called Juke Box Jury. 404 00:21:34,659 --> 00:21:36,996 And welcome to another session of Juke Box Jury. 405 00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:38,763 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 406 00:21:38,797 --> 00:21:42,301 COLIN: And four experts would judge various records. 407 00:21:42,334 --> 00:21:44,003 Let's meet the jury we have with us this session. 408 00:21:44,036 --> 00:21:45,504 First up, I'd like to introduce... 409 00:21:45,537 --> 00:21:48,173 COLIN: And the week that She's Not There was released... 410 00:21:48,207 --> 00:21:53,512 George Harrison from the Beatles was on the panel of this national TV show, 411 00:21:53,545 --> 00:21:55,413 so the whole country would have been watching this. 412 00:21:55,447 --> 00:21:57,449 we have a mixed jury tonight. 413 00:21:57,482 --> 00:21:59,417 So let's... Let's have the first request. 414 00:21:59,451 --> 00:22:01,486 COLIN: They played She's Not There. 415 00:22:01,486 --> 00:22:04,289 Tryin' to find her 416 00:22:04,289 --> 00:22:06,791 417 00:22:06,825 --> 00:22:08,861 GEORGE HARRISON: Well, their voices are marvelous. 418 00:22:08,894 --> 00:22:14,299 And the chord sequences come in very nice, and I think it'll be a hit. 419 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:17,002 -George Harrison loved it. -And we all went... (VOCALIZING) 420 00:22:17,036 --> 00:22:19,471 -That's a hit record. -HUGH: And it went to number one. 421 00:22:19,504 --> 00:22:20,873 It was just incredible. 422 00:22:20,906 --> 00:22:23,441 COLIN: We'd idolized Elvis and the rock greats. 423 00:22:23,475 --> 00:22:26,545 We never thought we could follow in their footsteps. 424 00:22:26,578 --> 00:22:28,213 We were fans. 425 00:22:28,247 --> 00:22:31,616 The Beatles had just unbelievably conquered America. 426 00:22:31,649 --> 00:22:35,187 And then we made the 9 o'clock news by being the first band after the Beatles 427 00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:37,256 to get a number one with a self-written song. 428 00:22:42,261 --> 00:22:44,529 (GOT MY MOJO WORKING BY THE ZOMBIES PLAYING) 429 00:22:44,529 --> 00:22:50,468 But it just won't work on you 430 00:22:50,502 --> 00:22:54,706 COLIN: One of the problems we had is that when She's Not There was a big hit, 431 00:22:54,739 --> 00:22:57,309 Decca Records wanted an album straight away. 432 00:22:57,342 --> 00:22:59,211 They didn't have any songs. 433 00:22:59,244 --> 00:23:02,915 At that time we were doing covers, RandB classics, 434 00:23:02,948 --> 00:23:06,751 and that first album was recorded very quickly. 435 00:23:06,785 --> 00:23:11,489 And the way we got the songs together was a little bit desperate. 436 00:23:11,523 --> 00:23:13,325 RODNEY: It was recorded in a day, wasn't it? 437 00:23:13,358 --> 00:23:15,928 -Or two days? -COLIN: Two evenings. 438 00:23:15,961 --> 00:23:17,296 (TELL HER NO BY THE ZOMBIES PLAYING) 439 00:23:24,202 --> 00:23:27,072 "Come closer" 440 00:23:30,875 --> 00:23:35,180 With her charms 441 00:23:37,316 --> 00:23:41,320 No-no-no-no 442 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,556 No-no-no-no 443 00:23:44,556 --> 00:23:47,559 444 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:52,097 For her love belongs to me 445 00:23:52,131 --> 00:23:55,467 COLIN: I'm telling you, I mean, we've been working really, really hard, 446 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:58,971 and I was in the control room and I fell asleep. 447 00:23:59,004 --> 00:24:00,872 And they really had to wake me up 448 00:24:00,905 --> 00:24:02,975 to go and sing Tell Her No. 449 00:24:03,008 --> 00:24:05,543 And I think it's on the second chorus, 450 00:24:05,577 --> 00:24:07,946 there's a whole mumbled phrase. 451 00:24:07,980 --> 00:24:10,748 I just thought, "Well, we can go back and correct that." 452 00:24:10,782 --> 00:24:13,418 And our producer just wasn't interested, 453 00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:14,586 -you know, it doesn't... -ROD: No, he said, "That's fine." 454 00:24:14,619 --> 00:24:16,955 it doesn't make any sense at all. 455 00:24:16,989 --> 00:24:18,723 -And he says, "Fine. That's fine." -ROD: He sings... 456 00:24:18,756 --> 00:24:21,093 -(SINGING INDISTINCTLY) -Yeah... 457 00:24:21,126 --> 00:24:22,427 - -(LAUGHS) 458 00:24:22,427 --> 00:24:25,464 - - 459 00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:28,500 - from your arms - 460 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:30,002 461 00:24:30,035 --> 00:24:32,104 -He thought that was fine. -He said, "No, that's fine." 462 00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:34,173 Uh, you... you see, it's so funny. 463 00:24:34,206 --> 00:24:37,342 That record went to number six in the US charts. 464 00:24:37,376 --> 00:24:38,943 (LAST FEW NOTES OF TELL HER NO PLAYS) 465 00:24:38,977 --> 00:24:41,613 (CROWD SCREAMING AND CHEERING) 466 00:24:41,613 --> 00:24:44,149 467 00:24:44,183 --> 00:24:48,120 ( ROAD RUNNER PLAYING) 468 00:24:48,153 --> 00:24:50,788 (SONG PLAYS CONTINUOUSLY) 469 00:24:50,822 --> 00:24:53,291 Because we had a hit record straight away, 470 00:24:53,325 --> 00:24:55,527 you know, you have no control over this. 471 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,032 We joined these package tours in the UK in the '60s. 472 00:25:00,065 --> 00:25:03,668 Straightaway, we did a big tour with the Searchers, 473 00:25:03,702 --> 00:25:06,938 who people sometimes forget were probably the second biggest band 474 00:25:06,971 --> 00:25:08,373 to the Beatles at the time. 475 00:25:08,407 --> 00:25:11,809 Dionne Warwick and the Isley Brothers, 476 00:25:11,843 --> 00:25:15,347 really accomplished artists, and we were just... 477 00:25:15,380 --> 00:25:19,017 (CHUCKLING) Really, we were just put into the middle of that. 478 00:25:19,051 --> 00:25:23,188 HUGH: Watching those stars whose music we'd been playing, 479 00:25:23,222 --> 00:25:26,024 it was absolutely incredible. 480 00:25:26,058 --> 00:25:29,461 COLIN: American artists took it a lot more seriously in those days. 481 00:25:29,494 --> 00:25:31,629 British bands came out of pubs, you know. 482 00:25:31,663 --> 00:25:36,034 Our warm-up would be a couple of pints of beer. 483 00:25:36,068 --> 00:25:39,837 I learned quite a lot about being a professional performer. 484 00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:42,174 HUGH: It was the sheer joy of playing regularly. 485 00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:44,042 And the more regular you play, 486 00:25:44,076 --> 00:25:46,211 you cannot help but get better. 487 00:25:46,211 --> 00:25:49,248 488 00:25:51,250 --> 00:25:55,620 I'm in overdrive 489 00:25:57,689 --> 00:25:59,824 -( ROAD RUNNER ENDS) -(CAR TOOTS) 490 00:25:59,857 --> 00:26:03,661 ROD: Uh, first time we ever went to the US was to New York. 491 00:26:03,695 --> 00:26:06,831 CHRIS: We remember driving in, seeing the skyscrapers 492 00:26:06,864 --> 00:26:08,400 -and hearing sirens... - (SIREN WAILING) 493 00:26:08,433 --> 00:26:11,236 ...because our police cars only had bells. 494 00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:12,370 It's quite exciting. 495 00:26:12,404 --> 00:26:15,039 It's like watching something from television. 496 00:26:15,073 --> 00:26:16,674 ROD: We knew we were going to play on the Murray the K's show, 497 00:26:16,708 --> 00:26:19,344 opening on Christmas Day in 1964. 498 00:26:19,377 --> 00:26:22,080 And we were really very, very nervous. 499 00:26:22,114 --> 00:26:24,516 -(AUDIENCE CHEERING) -ANNOUNCER: The Brooklyn Fox Theater proudly presents 500 00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:27,051 the swingingest personality of the USA, 501 00:26:27,085 --> 00:26:30,888 the boss of the Swingin' Soiree is Murray the K. 502 00:26:30,922 --> 00:26:34,293 -(AUDIENCE CHEERING LOUDLY) -(LIVELY INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING) 503 00:26:36,328 --> 00:26:38,297 (MUSIC STOPS) 504 00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:40,799 -(MURRAY SHOUTS INDISTINCTLY) -(AUDIENCE SHOUTS) 505 00:26:40,832 --> 00:26:43,735 -(MURRAY SHOUTS INDISTINCTLY) -(AUDIENCE SHOUTS) 506 00:26:43,768 --> 00:26:46,305 -(MURRAY SHOUTING INDISTINCTLY) -(AUDIENCE SHOUTS) 507 00:26:46,338 --> 00:26:47,506 MURRAY: Well, what's happening, baby? 508 00:26:47,539 --> 00:26:50,542 May we wish you all a Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. 509 00:26:50,575 --> 00:26:53,445 Happy Hanukkah to all you soul people. 510 00:26:53,478 --> 00:26:55,447 And may we tell you out there 511 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,283 that we've got some great sounds for you tonight. 512 00:26:58,317 --> 00:27:01,119 CHRIS: Chuck Jackson, Ben E. King, the Shirelles, 513 00:27:01,153 --> 00:27:04,289 you know, all these people who are our heroes, basically. 514 00:27:04,323 --> 00:27:07,559 And we were quite nervous because we were singing American songs. 515 00:27:07,592 --> 00:27:11,563 We thought we were doing a sort of sterilized version 516 00:27:11,596 --> 00:27:14,266 of American music and bringing it back. 517 00:27:14,299 --> 00:27:16,601 "They're doing the real thing, and they're going to hate us." 518 00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:19,137 MURRAY: Raise big hands for the Danny Boy crew, 519 00:27:19,171 --> 00:27:22,174 -Patti LaBelle and the Blue Belles. -(CROWD CHEERING) 520 00:27:22,207 --> 00:27:25,277 COLIN: We had to follow Patti LaBelle and the Blue Belles, 521 00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:28,780 and they were fabulous and they brought the house down. 522 00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:32,284 (LABELLE SINGING DANNY BOY) 523 00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:34,919 How can we follow such a wonderful, 524 00:27:34,952 --> 00:27:36,921 magnificent artist as Patti LaBelle? 525 00:27:36,954 --> 00:27:39,524 (PATTI AND THE BLUE BELLES SINGING FINAL NOTE) 526 00:27:39,558 --> 00:27:43,461 (CROWD CHEERING LOUDLY AND APPLAUDING) 527 00:27:43,495 --> 00:27:46,531 COLIN: We were 19 years old, 528 00:27:46,565 --> 00:27:49,668 skinny little kids from rural England. 529 00:27:49,701 --> 00:27:52,937 And the first day, we were standing in the wings, 530 00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:57,175 quivering, thinking, "Can..." you know, "Can we do this?" 531 00:27:57,209 --> 00:27:59,811 MURRAY: We've got some more sounds for you coming from England, 532 00:27:59,844 --> 00:28:02,314 coming back to the USA where she belongs, 533 00:28:02,347 --> 00:28:05,183 after completing a very successful tour of the... 534 00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:07,219 COLIN: But it was fine. We got out there, 535 00:28:07,252 --> 00:28:09,821 and we did okay. We did okay. 536 00:28:09,821 --> 00:28:12,824 ( WOMAN PLAYING) 537 00:28:12,824 --> 00:28:16,060 with you last night 538 00:28:17,362 --> 00:28:20,432 539 00:28:20,432 --> 00:28:23,402 hold me tight 540 00:28:23,402 --> 00:28:26,938 541 00:28:26,938 --> 00:28:28,407 you love me too 542 00:28:30,909 --> 00:28:33,545 -(FINAL NOTES OF SONG PLAYING) -(MUFFLED CROWD CHEERING) 543 00:28:33,578 --> 00:28:36,648 What an experience, 14 or 15 other acts. 544 00:28:36,681 --> 00:28:39,050 And because we were playing over Christmas, 545 00:28:39,083 --> 00:28:41,219 everyone was away from their families, 546 00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:44,556 so there was a wonderful camaraderie backstage. 547 00:28:44,589 --> 00:28:46,591 ROD: And I remember Patti coming to our dressing room 548 00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:49,661 and having really long chats. She said, 549 00:28:49,694 --> 00:28:52,697 "Oh, you've got to check out this new kid on the block, Aretha Franklin," you know? 550 00:28:52,731 --> 00:28:55,032 "And you've got to check out Nina Simone." 551 00:28:55,066 --> 00:28:57,436 So, we're getting all this input. 552 00:28:57,469 --> 00:28:59,571 ANNOUNCER: It's the greatest stage show ever to come 553 00:28:59,604 --> 00:29:01,573 to The Dick Clark Caravan of Stars. 554 00:29:01,606 --> 00:29:04,576 Here's where you can get your advance tickets now. 555 00:29:04,609 --> 00:29:06,544 CHRIS: A year later, we did Dick Clark tour. 556 00:29:06,578 --> 00:29:08,680 That required us to go all over America. 557 00:29:08,713 --> 00:29:11,416 It was exciting, absolutely thrilling. 558 00:29:11,450 --> 00:29:13,217 Nobody I knew had been to America. 559 00:29:13,251 --> 00:29:14,619 It was an education. 560 00:29:16,655 --> 00:29:18,690 ROD: The very first day we got on the bus, 561 00:29:18,723 --> 00:29:20,258 everyone was very friendly. 562 00:29:20,292 --> 00:29:21,893 There was a lot of singing going on, 563 00:29:21,926 --> 00:29:23,462 and they would sing RandB standards, 564 00:29:23,495 --> 00:29:25,029 you know, or a cappella. 565 00:29:25,664 --> 00:29:26,965 And then suddenly, 566 00:29:26,998 --> 00:29:29,066 they turned to us and said, "Okay..." 567 00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:30,935 -"Hey, you guys." -"...you sing something." 568 00:29:30,969 --> 00:29:32,404 "Can you sing?" 569 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:34,773 And Colin said, "Oh, my God, what are we going to do?" 570 00:29:34,806 --> 00:29:35,974 I said, "I don't know." 571 00:29:36,007 --> 00:29:38,443 I said, "Why don't we do, just you and I, 572 00:29:38,477 --> 00:29:41,813 "sing a cappella If I Fell, the Beatles song." 573 00:29:41,846 --> 00:29:44,783 So, we... (CHUCKLING) we took our courage in our hands. 574 00:29:44,816 --> 00:29:47,585 And we did it from start to finish, in harmony. 575 00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:50,789 And they all went quiet, and we thought, "Ooh." 576 00:29:50,822 --> 00:29:53,725 And at the end of it, they just all applauded. 577 00:29:53,758 --> 00:29:55,694 -And they loved us after that. -(MUTED APPLAUSE) 578 00:30:03,702 --> 00:30:05,303 HUGH: We would travel in a coach. 579 00:30:05,337 --> 00:30:07,672 One night overnight in the coach, 580 00:30:07,706 --> 00:30:10,575 and the next night we would stay in a hotel. 581 00:30:10,608 --> 00:30:11,909 And driving through the night, you know, 582 00:30:11,943 --> 00:30:13,945 we would hear singing quietly. 583 00:30:13,978 --> 00:30:16,280 Someone would just go... (HUMS A NOTE) 584 00:30:16,314 --> 00:30:18,016 and then build up a chord. 585 00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:20,284 Like, sort of, spirituals and stuff like that. 586 00:30:20,318 --> 00:30:23,355 It was just hairs on the back of the neck. 587 00:30:23,388 --> 00:30:25,690 It's such a privilege to be part of that world 588 00:30:25,724 --> 00:30:27,592 and... and to hear it firsthand. 589 00:30:41,373 --> 00:30:43,041 Oh, this is the Zombies. 590 00:30:43,074 --> 00:30:45,309 So, we're backstage. 591 00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:46,944 We're playing with the Beach Boys. 592 00:30:46,978 --> 00:30:51,783 ( I REMEMBER WHEN I LOVED HER PLAYING) 593 00:30:51,816 --> 00:30:54,719 That's Del Shannon, and Del Reeves, who's a country singer. 594 00:30:56,354 --> 00:30:58,189 That's the Shangri-Las. 595 00:30:58,189 --> 00:31:02,561 when I loved her 596 00:31:03,395 --> 00:31:05,329 That's Peter and Gordon. 597 00:31:05,329 --> 00:31:06,865 598 00:31:06,898 --> 00:31:09,333 That's Mike Pender of the Searchers. 599 00:31:09,333 --> 00:31:12,504 when I loved her 600 00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:14,472 This is in the Philippines. 601 00:31:14,506 --> 00:31:16,974 We seemed to be very popular 602 00:31:17,008 --> 00:31:21,580 with the Pakistan ambassador's family, particularly the daughters. 603 00:31:21,613 --> 00:31:23,381 And so, they asked us back to the embassy. 604 00:31:24,382 --> 00:31:28,853 ( IT'S ALRIGHT WITH ME PLAYING) 605 00:31:28,853 --> 00:31:30,354 (SINGING) 606 00:31:30,354 --> 00:31:32,924 607 00:31:34,358 --> 00:31:35,860 608 00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:38,597 in my floor 609 00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,267 and love me 610 00:31:43,267 --> 00:31:46,070 with me 611 00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:50,408 can't afford no big black car 612 00:31:50,442 --> 00:31:52,744 ROD: The world was such a big place in those days 613 00:31:52,777 --> 00:31:54,946 that to go abroad, was a much bigger deal. 614 00:31:54,979 --> 00:31:57,682 And we didn't always know what was happening in other places. 615 00:31:57,715 --> 00:32:01,018 Our manager said, "We've been offered a ten-day residency 616 00:32:01,052 --> 00:32:02,219 "in the Philippines. 617 00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:04,589 "Do you fancy seeing a bit of the East?" 618 00:32:04,623 --> 00:32:07,358 For �100 a night between us. 619 00:32:07,391 --> 00:32:11,630 COLIN: It seemed an opportunity to go to a tropical island. 620 00:32:11,663 --> 00:32:17,368 The promoter was going to pay for our travel, uh, hotels and all the equipment. 621 00:32:17,401 --> 00:32:19,370 We didn't have to take equipment with us. 622 00:32:19,403 --> 00:32:21,739 COLIN: I thought probably we would lie on the beach all day, 623 00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:25,042 and play in a hotel bar in the evenings. 624 00:32:25,076 --> 00:32:26,410 In those days, getting to the Philippines 625 00:32:26,444 --> 00:32:28,480 wasn't a one-day job. 626 00:32:28,513 --> 00:32:32,416 It was via Paris, Delhi, Hong Kong. 627 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:34,385 We... we had to stop in all these places. 628 00:32:34,418 --> 00:32:36,087 Anyway, we eventually got there, 629 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,222 and as we touched down, 630 00:32:38,255 --> 00:32:40,257 there was this huge number of people 631 00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:41,459 on the tarmac. 632 00:32:41,493 --> 00:32:43,427 I remember saying to Colin, 633 00:32:43,461 --> 00:32:46,297 "Is there a famous politician on the plane? You know, have you seen that?" 634 00:32:47,264 --> 00:32:48,500 It was for us. 635 00:32:48,533 --> 00:32:51,235 We were second only to the Beatles in the Philippines, 636 00:32:51,268 --> 00:32:52,303 in the number of hit records we'd had. 637 00:32:53,204 --> 00:32:54,639 We couldn't believe it. 638 00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:56,508 with me 639 00:32:56,541 --> 00:32:58,109 HUGH: The Beatles had played there, 640 00:32:58,142 --> 00:33:01,078 but they'd upset the President and the President's wife. 641 00:33:01,112 --> 00:33:03,682 So, we were invited to the President's palace, 642 00:33:03,715 --> 00:33:05,817 and we said, "Yes, of course we'll go." 643 00:33:05,850 --> 00:33:10,855 ( WHAT MORE CAN I DO? PLAYING) 644 00:33:12,557 --> 00:33:13,958 645 00:33:13,958 --> 00:33:16,460 - - 646 00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:20,131 COLIN: And we opened in this place called the Araneta Coliseum, 647 00:33:20,164 --> 00:33:23,001 which at the time was the second biggest coliseum in the world. 648 00:33:23,034 --> 00:33:25,670 And he had his own private army, the bloke who did it. 649 00:33:25,704 --> 00:33:28,339 We were locked into this coliseum 650 00:33:28,372 --> 00:33:30,341 by this promoter. 651 00:33:30,374 --> 00:33:33,712 LUCY: He wanted to go and buy a toothbrush and toothpaste. 652 00:33:33,745 --> 00:33:36,948 And they had, like, somebody with a machine gun, I think, taking them. 653 00:33:36,981 --> 00:33:39,718 HUGH: It turned out to be a far bigger show than we ever thought. 654 00:33:39,751 --> 00:33:41,886 The place held 40,000 people. 655 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,622 We had a ten-night residency there. 656 00:33:44,656 --> 00:33:47,625 - (CROWD APPLAUDING AND CHEERING) -HUGH: It was full every night. 657 00:33:47,659 --> 00:33:52,664 It was a fantastic time. All these people were coming to watch us, to our amazement. 658 00:33:52,697 --> 00:33:56,568 But these guys must have spent their week's wages on going there. 659 00:33:56,601 --> 00:33:58,870 The thought was that, "Well, if they're spending that much, 660 00:33:58,903 --> 00:34:01,505 "where's all this money going?" 661 00:34:01,539 --> 00:34:04,642 So, we were getting about �10 a night, if that. 662 00:34:04,676 --> 00:34:06,044 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 663 00:34:06,077 --> 00:34:08,179 Now, you don't have to be that bright 664 00:34:08,212 --> 00:34:09,714 to work out that that's wrong. 665 00:34:11,382 --> 00:34:13,417 ROD: And someone was making a fortune. 666 00:34:13,451 --> 00:34:15,386 It certainly wasn't us. 667 00:34:15,419 --> 00:34:18,089 We would go to the States and playing six shows a day 668 00:34:18,122 --> 00:34:21,158 in the Murray the K show, and not making any money. 669 00:34:21,192 --> 00:34:24,362 Dick Clark Tour, the following year, just breaking even 670 00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:26,430 with a number-one single. 671 00:34:26,464 --> 00:34:28,199 I keep talking about money. 672 00:34:28,232 --> 00:34:30,501 I'm not a money-orientated person at all. 673 00:34:30,534 --> 00:34:33,071 I'm talking about having enough money to eat. 674 00:34:33,104 --> 00:34:34,672 It was embarrassing. 675 00:34:34,706 --> 00:34:35,974 It was really embarrassing. 676 00:34:37,408 --> 00:34:39,911 ROD: We were being paid by honest publishers, 677 00:34:39,944 --> 00:34:42,580 but it was Chris and me as the writers that... 678 00:34:43,214 --> 00:34:44,082 that earned the money. 679 00:34:44,115 --> 00:34:46,150 Unfortunately, for the rest of the guys... 680 00:34:47,318 --> 00:34:49,220 COLIN: And the irony is, with hindsight, 681 00:34:49,253 --> 00:34:50,254 I knew... 682 00:34:51,623 --> 00:34:53,391 what was happening. 683 00:34:53,424 --> 00:34:55,593 I'd been talking to one of the promoters 684 00:34:55,627 --> 00:34:57,361 when we did a big show. 685 00:34:57,395 --> 00:35:00,264 It was packed. There could not be more people there. 686 00:35:00,297 --> 00:35:02,366 And I just casually said to him at the end of the evening, 687 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,802 "Well, see you next time." 688 00:35:04,836 --> 00:35:08,372 And he said, "No, there won't be a next time." 689 00:35:08,406 --> 00:35:12,644 And I said, "Why? They loved it. It couldn't have gone better." 690 00:35:12,677 --> 00:35:14,746 He said, "I can't afford you." 691 00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:17,381 I said, "Well, how much did you pay for us?" 692 00:35:17,415 --> 00:35:21,252 And it was three and a half times what we were getting. 693 00:35:21,285 --> 00:35:24,221 In my innocent mind, I thought he just made a mistake. 694 00:35:25,189 --> 00:35:27,258 But really, that was the key. 695 00:35:27,291 --> 00:35:29,460 We were being double sold. 696 00:35:29,493 --> 00:35:32,931 It was late at night. Adrenaline was running. We'd just come off stage. 697 00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:35,099 It's not a good frame of mind 698 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,937 to be looking at accounts and re-reading contracts. 699 00:35:38,970 --> 00:35:41,472 Contracts are rarely written in good faith. 700 00:35:42,707 --> 00:35:46,110 The management relationship just dissolved. 701 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:50,281 You know, he'd taken advantage of us so much. 702 00:35:50,314 --> 00:35:53,584 And in the early days, he hadn't cared about image 703 00:35:53,617 --> 00:35:55,653 and direction for us. 704 00:35:55,687 --> 00:36:00,024 He just cared about us working the whole time. 705 00:36:00,058 --> 00:36:03,027 It was really unfortunate what happened to us, 706 00:36:03,061 --> 00:36:05,029 but it happened to so many other bands in the '60s. 707 00:36:07,131 --> 00:36:08,666 ROD: There was a feeling around 708 00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:11,035 in a lot of the people from the previous generation 709 00:36:11,069 --> 00:36:13,537 who had gone into management or agency, 710 00:36:13,571 --> 00:36:16,841 that rock and roll was only going to last for three or four years, 711 00:36:16,874 --> 00:36:20,511 so they'd better make all the money they could out of these cash cows. 712 00:36:20,544 --> 00:36:23,481 We were being ripped off to the tune of millions of pounds, 713 00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:26,117 and in those days, that was an absolute fortune. 714 00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:28,820 You know, my parents were working-class all their lives, 715 00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:30,521 and I could have helped them. 716 00:36:30,554 --> 00:36:33,057 ROD: I mean, we were 18 years old. 717 00:36:33,091 --> 00:36:34,658 We weren't man enough to handle 718 00:36:34,692 --> 00:36:37,729 all the tricks or whatever was going on. 719 00:36:37,729 --> 00:36:42,533 (SINGING) not coming back anymore 720 00:36:44,502 --> 00:36:49,941 do I keep on watching the door? 721 00:36:52,176 --> 00:36:59,083 you can hear what I say 722 00:36:59,083 --> 00:37:06,290 if I keep on acting this way 723 00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:09,727 724 00:37:09,727 --> 00:37:13,364 I don't care 725 00:37:13,364 --> 00:37:17,135 find a brand new place 726 00:37:17,135 --> 00:37:20,604 and get somewhere 727 00:37:20,638 --> 00:37:24,942 (LAST FEW NOTES PLAYING) 728 00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:27,545 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 729 00:37:27,578 --> 00:37:29,380 ROD: The irony is this form 730 00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:32,516 of popular music has actually lasted longer than any other. 731 00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:35,086 He could have made far more money 732 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,855 if he'd taken a long-term view on his artists 733 00:37:37,889 --> 00:37:40,892 and tried to develop them properly. 734 00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:43,795 CHRIS: We came back and we had no manager, no money, 735 00:37:43,828 --> 00:37:45,696 no record company because Decca had dropped us. 736 00:37:45,729 --> 00:37:48,299 -(INAUDIBLE) -COLIN: Our last single had been released, 737 00:37:48,332 --> 00:37:49,901 but there was no interest. 738 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:52,436 We were just dejected, I think. 739 00:37:52,469 --> 00:37:57,775 We went back and we felt the whole situation of how we were was wrong. 740 00:37:57,809 --> 00:38:01,979 COLIN: Our old producer was continually trying to recreate She's Not There. 741 00:38:02,013 --> 00:38:04,282 We wanted to be a little bit more adventurous. 742 00:38:04,315 --> 00:38:06,483 Do something exciting and different. 743 00:38:06,517 --> 00:38:09,320 ROD: Both Chris and I, we shared a flat at that time. 744 00:38:09,353 --> 00:38:12,489 CHRIS: We just kept feeding off each other creatively, 745 00:38:12,523 --> 00:38:14,558 encouraging each other, to be quite honest. 746 00:38:14,592 --> 00:38:16,727 ROD: I remember Chris saying, "Do you know what? 747 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,930 "We've got to do at least one album 748 00:38:18,963 --> 00:38:20,131 "that we produced ourselves." 749 00:38:20,164 --> 00:38:21,933 We didn't know if we could produce an album. 750 00:38:21,966 --> 00:38:24,168 It felt natural because as a songwriter, 751 00:38:24,202 --> 00:38:26,403 we wanted to get the song right. 752 00:38:26,437 --> 00:38:28,572 We went to our publisher, and so they said, 753 00:38:28,606 --> 00:38:30,975 "Well, CBS have offered a thousand pounds, 754 00:38:31,008 --> 00:38:33,444 and I can get you into Abbey Road." 755 00:38:33,477 --> 00:38:35,947 COLIN: One of the most expensive studios in the world 756 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:38,015 because they were probably the best, 757 00:38:38,049 --> 00:38:41,452 with engineers like Geoff Emerick and Peter Vince, 758 00:38:41,485 --> 00:38:45,156 who worked on that album, which became known as Odessey and Oracle. 759 00:38:46,824 --> 00:38:49,327 CHRIS: But it's funny not having the controller on that side. 760 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,428 COLIN: Yeah, it's unrecognizable... 761 00:38:51,462 --> 00:38:54,031 -CHRIS: Yeah. Totally different. -...isn't it? Really. Yeah. 762 00:38:54,065 --> 00:38:55,666 CHRIS: You look totally different, too. 763 00:38:55,699 --> 00:38:57,534 -(CHUCKLES SOFTLY) -Thanks. 764 00:38:57,568 --> 00:39:00,004 (BOTH LAUGH) 765 00:39:00,037 --> 00:39:02,874 ROD: When we first set up in here, it felt like a liberation, didn't it? 766 00:39:02,907 --> 00:39:04,142 -CHRIS: Exactly. -ROD: Because we were in control 767 00:39:04,175 --> 00:39:05,209 -of everything. -CHRIS: That's right. 768 00:39:05,243 --> 00:39:06,978 And we could take our own time. 769 00:39:07,011 --> 00:39:09,347 COLIN: And we rehearsed really extensively 770 00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:11,548 -because we had such a small budget. -CHRIS: Yeah. 771 00:39:11,582 --> 00:39:12,716 So, when we recorded, 772 00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:15,619 we knew exactly the songs that we were going to play, 773 00:39:15,653 --> 00:39:17,621 -the keys we were going to play in... -CHRIS: Yep. 774 00:39:17,655 --> 00:39:19,490 -...and the arrangement. -CHRIS: Yeah. 775 00:39:19,523 --> 00:39:23,194 -All we were looking for was the performance. -Yeah. 776 00:39:23,227 --> 00:39:27,298 ROD: Almost all the rehearsals were done at my mum and dad's house. 777 00:39:27,331 --> 00:39:30,734 We used to do them in the front room with a small upright piano, 778 00:39:30,768 --> 00:39:33,837 and usually with Hugh, just with a snare drum. And I found out later 779 00:39:33,871 --> 00:39:37,375 that the guy next door was on night work, and he never complained. 780 00:39:37,408 --> 00:39:40,011 But, uh, he became a heavy drinker later, 781 00:39:40,044 --> 00:39:42,646 -and I think it may have been because of that. -(SOFT LAUGHTER) 782 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,383 -But also, we did rehearse in rehearsal rooms, too... -CHRIS: Yes, we did. 783 00:39:45,416 --> 00:39:47,084 when we, when we had to rehearse the full band. 784 00:39:47,118 --> 00:39:50,922 (LIVELY PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) 785 00:39:50,955 --> 00:39:54,025 ROD: This is the piano that I used, I think, 786 00:39:54,058 --> 00:39:57,328 possibly because I wanted a harpsichordy sort of sound on it. 787 00:39:57,361 --> 00:39:59,230 It was just something that we thought 788 00:39:59,263 --> 00:40:03,034 would be a change, uh, and it would fit the, the song. 789 00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:06,037 So, we used to make decisions very quickly in those days, 790 00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,472 and we just, "Let's try this. Yeah, that sounds all right." (CLICKS TONGUE) 791 00:40:08,472 --> 00:40:09,873 ( MAYBE AFTER HE'S GONE PLAYING ON RECORD PLAYER) 792 00:40:09,873 --> 00:40:12,276 793 00:40:12,276 --> 00:40:17,281 when he came 794 00:40:17,281 --> 00:40:20,718 -(SINGERS HARMONIZING) - 795 00:40:20,718 --> 00:40:25,756 love me again May... 796 00:40:25,789 --> 00:40:27,158 -(MUSIC STOPS) -ROD: We walked in 797 00:40:27,191 --> 00:40:31,862 just after the Beatles had walked out, having recorded Sgt. Pepper. 798 00:40:31,895 --> 00:40:34,365 Some of the equipment was still in the studio, 799 00:40:34,398 --> 00:40:37,568 and it meant that I could use the mellotron that was there, for instance. 800 00:40:37,601 --> 00:40:40,904 They asked for technology where they could have more than four tracks. 801 00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:42,974 But what we actually did, 802 00:40:43,007 --> 00:40:47,378 was do a first pass on four tracks. 803 00:40:47,411 --> 00:40:49,947 CHRIS: So, usually, it was bass, drums, 804 00:40:49,981 --> 00:40:51,715 guitar on one track. 805 00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:54,818 Piano, keyboards on another one. 806 00:40:54,852 --> 00:40:59,123 Lead vocals on one, and then another one for vocal harmonies. 807 00:40:59,156 --> 00:41:01,158 ROD: And then mixed those down 808 00:41:01,192 --> 00:41:04,728 onto one track so that you get more tracks. 809 00:41:04,762 --> 00:41:07,598 But that was all in mono, because we were only asked 810 00:41:07,631 --> 00:41:09,767 for a mono mix initially. 811 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,570 And then they said, "Well, stereo seems to be interesting. Can you remix it in stereo?" 812 00:41:13,604 --> 00:41:15,006 And we said, "We don't know. We've never done that." 813 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,508 -And our budget had run out, so we weren't paid. -Yeah. That's it. 814 00:41:17,541 --> 00:41:18,675 -(CHUCKLES) -(MUTTERS SOFTLY) 815 00:41:18,709 --> 00:41:20,011 That sounds like the story of our lives 816 00:41:20,044 --> 00:41:21,812 -at that time, you know, but... -(LAUGHTER) 817 00:41:21,812 --> 00:41:25,216 ( CHANGES PLAYING) 818 00:41:25,216 --> 00:41:29,353 819 00:41:29,353 --> 00:41:33,190 how brown her eyes 820 00:41:33,224 --> 00:41:35,126 -(DRUM BEATS SOUNDING ON RECORDING) -Oh, that is the basics, 821 00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:36,960 -right? Isn't it? The percussion. -Yeah... yeah. (CHUCKLES) 822 00:41:36,994 --> 00:41:39,163 -(DRUM BEATS CONTINUE SOUNDING) -It sounds like a marching band, 823 00:41:39,196 --> 00:41:41,165 -doesn't it? -Yeah. 824 00:41:41,198 --> 00:41:43,667 ROD: Our sessions were generally three hours, 825 00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:44,968 -weren't they, Colin? -COLIN: Well, they had to be. 826 00:41:45,002 --> 00:41:47,971 You know, they had these very strict protocols in Abbey Road. 827 00:41:48,005 --> 00:41:49,973 There was a song we did called Changes, 828 00:41:50,007 --> 00:41:53,811 and it's the only song where all five of us were singing harmonies. 829 00:41:53,844 --> 00:41:55,379 And we were around the piano 830 00:41:55,413 --> 00:41:57,381 because we needed to get our notes. 831 00:41:57,415 --> 00:41:58,949 We're in the middle of recording, 832 00:41:58,982 --> 00:42:02,320 but we were coming up to 1:00 when we had to stop. 833 00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:03,521 And at 1:00, 834 00:42:03,554 --> 00:42:07,458 two of these guys came in and they moved the piano away 835 00:42:07,491 --> 00:42:09,626 while we were singing. 836 00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:13,030 But Abbey Road was a little bit like that. It was very regimented. 837 00:42:13,897 --> 00:42:14,998 ROD: We'd mess around 838 00:42:15,032 --> 00:42:16,334 and... and get a tempo, 839 00:42:16,367 --> 00:42:18,569 and then... then he would just go, 840 00:42:18,602 --> 00:42:20,204 -"One, two, three, four." -VOICE ON RECORDING: One, two, three, four. 841 00:42:20,237 --> 00:42:21,738 -(PIANO MUSIC PLAYS, STOPS) -VOICE ON RECORDING: Sorry. 842 00:42:21,772 --> 00:42:23,074 (CHUCKLES) "Sorry." 843 00:42:23,107 --> 00:42:24,875 -(LAUGHS) -VOICE ON RECORDING: One, two... 844 00:42:24,908 --> 00:42:26,344 -That still happens. -Yeah. 845 00:42:26,344 --> 00:42:29,913 A ROSE FOR EMILY PLAYING) 846 00:42:29,913 --> 00:42:32,550 847 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:36,653 a rose for Emily 848 00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:40,891 849 00:42:40,924 --> 00:42:42,926 -That's a cello. -There's the cello. 850 00:42:42,926 --> 00:42:45,262 -(CELLO PLAYING) - her pride somehow... 851 00:42:45,296 --> 00:42:47,198 ROD: Occasionally, on the album, 852 00:42:47,231 --> 00:42:50,834 we would try just spontaneous ideas and moments, 853 00:42:50,868 --> 00:42:53,270 and sometimes they came off beautifully. 854 00:42:53,304 --> 00:42:54,671 -Mmm. -Sometimes they didn't. 855 00:42:54,705 --> 00:42:57,040 And I think this is one of the cases 856 00:42:57,074 --> 00:42:59,343 where the... the cello didn't give it 857 00:42:59,377 --> 00:43:01,545 the magical effect that we hoped it would. 858 00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:04,215 -It, it made it sound a little bit like a hotel... -Yeah. 859 00:43:04,248 --> 00:43:06,717 -...foyer, so we ditched it. -Yeah. 860 00:43:06,717 --> 00:43:09,253 ( THIS WILL BE OUR YEAR PLAYING ON RECORDING) 861 00:43:09,286 --> 00:43:10,454 -Different words. -It's you singing, 862 00:43:10,488 --> 00:43:11,555 -yeah? -Yeah, yeah. 863 00:43:11,555 --> 00:43:15,926 took a long time to come 864 00:43:15,959 --> 00:43:17,694 - -(ROD CHUCKLES) 865 00:43:17,728 --> 00:43:18,795 - - (CHRIS LAUGHS) 866 00:43:18,795 --> 00:43:22,333 you gave me faith to go on" 867 00:43:22,333 --> 00:43:26,069 and we've only just begun 868 00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:30,908 took a long time to come 869 00:43:30,941 --> 00:43:32,543 -(SONG CONTINUES PLAYING) -We didn't stop. 870 00:43:32,576 --> 00:43:34,545 -Yeah, yeah. -(LAUGHS) 871 00:43:34,578 --> 00:43:35,913 How do you end this thing? 872 00:43:35,946 --> 00:43:38,149 (PIANO PLAYING FINAL NOTES) 873 00:43:38,182 --> 00:43:39,450 -Oh, like that? -(CHUCKLES) 874 00:43:39,483 --> 00:43:41,552 (CHRIS LAUGHS) 875 00:43:41,585 --> 00:43:43,654 -And that? -That was just a songwriting demo. 876 00:43:43,687 --> 00:43:45,789 ROD: We were writing as we went. 877 00:43:45,822 --> 00:43:49,092 I'd come up with a song, and then Chris would write a song, 878 00:43:49,126 --> 00:43:51,328 and both of us together would often have ideas 879 00:43:51,362 --> 00:43:54,432 about how we should change in the... the original concept, 880 00:43:54,465 --> 00:43:55,799 you know, where it was going. 881 00:43:55,799 --> 00:43:59,303 ( BRIEF CANDLES PLAYING) 882 00:43:59,303 --> 00:44:02,940 883 00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:07,945 Brief candles... 884 00:44:07,978 --> 00:44:10,514 Each session we had to put our songs forward, didn't we? 885 00:44:10,548 --> 00:44:12,516 -Yeah. And, and the thing is... -And rehearse. 886 00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:14,351 if we played it to each other and we didn't like 887 00:44:14,385 --> 00:44:16,119 -the idea, it wouldn't get finished, would it... -Yeah. Yeah, that's right. 888 00:44:16,153 --> 00:44:17,688 -Absolutely. Yeah. Mmm. -...basically. 889 00:44:17,721 --> 00:44:20,291 ROD: And of course, it mixed with emotions 890 00:44:20,324 --> 00:44:22,693 that we were feeling on growing up, 891 00:44:22,726 --> 00:44:24,595 and a feeling of rebelliousness 892 00:44:24,628 --> 00:44:27,764 against some of the norms of society and the way 893 00:44:27,798 --> 00:44:30,401 that the older people were thinking about things. 894 00:44:30,401 --> 00:44:33,804 ( BEECHWOOD PARK PLAYING) would touch your hair 895 00:44:33,804 --> 00:44:36,907 and make you care 896 00:44:36,907 --> 00:44:38,576 897 00:44:39,543 --> 00:44:42,613 898 00:44:42,646 --> 00:44:45,015 -CHRIS: Put it down. Yeah. -This was your... 899 00:44:45,048 --> 00:44:46,717 -your organ in the... -My... This is my... yeah. 900 00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:48,552 CHRIS: I had this pump organ which we bought 901 00:44:48,586 --> 00:44:51,388 in a secondhand store for the flat. 902 00:44:51,422 --> 00:44:54,625 It was one of the big things where, you know, there was tops on it and everything. 903 00:44:57,761 --> 00:44:59,530 (ORGAN MUSIC PLAYS ON RECORDING) 904 00:44:59,563 --> 00:45:01,499 -What's that? -MAN: That's your sample track. 905 00:45:01,532 --> 00:45:03,200 -Ah. -MAN: That's your intro, and if you... 906 00:45:03,234 --> 00:45:04,368 Wait, I don't know if you remember, 907 00:45:04,401 --> 00:45:07,238 you used the desk tone to create an instrument. 908 00:45:07,271 --> 00:45:08,472 -Yeah, yeah. -Oh, right. 909 00:45:08,506 --> 00:45:10,173 It was like our way of using the, uh... 910 00:45:10,207 --> 00:45:11,542 -(VOCALIZES RISING TONE) -...What was the thing the Beach Boys used? 911 00:45:11,575 --> 00:45:12,643 -CHRIS: Theremin. -ROD: Theremin. 912 00:45:12,676 --> 00:45:14,111 -CHRIS: Yeah, there. -ROD: Recreating the theremin. 913 00:45:14,144 --> 00:45:16,179 -ROD: We had to use what we could. - ( BUTCHER'S TALE PLAYING) 914 00:45:16,179 --> 00:45:17,381 -(THEREMIN SOUNDING) - stop shaking... 915 00:45:17,414 --> 00:45:19,216 CHRIS: During the First World War, 916 00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:22,686 my 16-year-old uncle signed up, 917 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:27,190 lied about his age, and he died in the Battle of the Somme. 918 00:45:27,224 --> 00:45:29,893 And my mother, we used to talk about when he did come home on leave, 919 00:45:29,926 --> 00:45:32,863 to have to iron the lice out of his clothes and everything. 920 00:45:32,896 --> 00:45:34,665 And then I read that book, I think it was called The Donkeys, 921 00:45:34,698 --> 00:45:37,167 about the First World War and how... what a slaughter it was. 922 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,002 And it moved me so much 923 00:45:39,036 --> 00:45:42,005 that I wrote that song about it, and played it to Rod. 924 00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:43,607 It wasn't... wasn't rock 'n roll at all... 925 00:45:43,641 --> 00:45:45,276 -Oh, and I loved it. -...but... Yeah, yeah. 926 00:45:45,309 --> 00:45:46,544 CHRIS: But that's what the song was about, 927 00:45:46,577 --> 00:45:47,878 the horror of the thing. 928 00:45:47,878 --> 00:45:50,080 for the sound of guns 929 00:45:50,113 --> 00:45:51,882 -ROD: And then we bring in the tone... -CHRIS: Yeah. 930 00:45:51,882 --> 00:45:54,385 931 00:45:54,418 --> 00:45:56,219 ROD: Not too loud. (CHUCKLES) 932 00:45:56,253 --> 00:45:58,121 I actually wanted Colin to sing it, 933 00:45:58,155 --> 00:46:00,691 but both Rod and Colin said, "No, you've got a nice little weak voice. 934 00:46:00,724 --> 00:46:02,859 "Sound like you're worried about..." -No, we didn't say that. 935 00:46:02,893 --> 00:46:05,596 -(LAUGHS MISCHIEVOUSLY) -But we said it sounded more touching 936 00:46:05,629 --> 00:46:07,097 -when you're singing it. -Yeah, he did. 937 00:46:07,097 --> 00:46:11,569 (SONG CONTINUES ON RECORDING) 938 00:46:11,602 --> 00:46:13,170 Sounds like more than what we used. 939 00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:16,640 940 00:46:19,276 --> 00:46:21,812 ( TIME OF THE SEASON PLAYING) 941 00:46:21,845 --> 00:46:23,914 ROD: When I wrote Time of the Season, 942 00:46:23,947 --> 00:46:26,216 I remember saying this to Chris when I first played it to him, 943 00:46:26,249 --> 00:46:27,384 "I think this could be a hit." 944 00:46:27,418 --> 00:46:29,152 But nobody else thought so. 945 00:46:29,186 --> 00:46:30,721 It was written very quickly. 946 00:46:30,754 --> 00:46:32,489 -I mean, my memory of that... -Yeah. It was the last one. 947 00:46:32,523 --> 00:46:35,125 -...that was the last song. -I think so. 948 00:46:35,158 --> 00:46:37,260 ROD: And I remember Geoff Emerick was the engineer, 949 00:46:37,294 --> 00:46:39,663 and I absolutely loved the bass 950 00:46:39,697 --> 00:46:41,632 -and tom-tom sound he got together. -It was great there. 951 00:46:41,665 --> 00:46:44,067 And, and I don't know quite what he did, 952 00:46:44,101 --> 00:46:47,070 but it sounded really quite special. 953 00:46:47,104 --> 00:46:51,442 And that was the reason why I actually said to... to Hugh, 954 00:46:51,475 --> 00:46:53,844 "Do you know what? I can hear a... 955 00:46:53,877 --> 00:46:55,145 -"just before the backbeat... -CHRIS: Yeah. 956 00:46:55,178 --> 00:46:56,814 "...and a... (MIMICS EXHALE) afterwards." 957 00:46:56,847 --> 00:46:58,148 And he said, "Well, go and do it." 958 00:46:58,181 --> 00:47:00,484 And we did, and we didn't think anything of it. 959 00:47:00,517 --> 00:47:02,285 -But that became a signature moment of the... -Yeah. 960 00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:03,954 of the, of the song. 961 00:47:03,954 --> 00:47:06,490 - - 962 00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:08,992 - - 963 00:47:08,992 --> 00:47:12,496 - - 964 00:47:12,496 --> 00:47:14,698 - - 965 00:47:14,698 --> 00:47:17,000 - - 966 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,205 - - what you need to live? 967 00:47:22,205 --> 00:47:24,408 968 00:47:24,408 --> 00:47:26,309 969 00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:28,545 970 00:47:28,545 --> 00:47:32,983 971 00:47:32,983 --> 00:47:35,719 972 00:47:35,753 --> 00:47:36,887 ROD: I mean, the whole place 973 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,957 was spun around the other way, but Colin was abusing me 974 00:47:40,991 --> 00:47:43,994 -from... from, you know, (CHUCKLING) just in there... -(LAUGHING) 975 00:47:44,027 --> 00:47:47,731 -(LAUGHTER) -...while we were recording the final thing. 976 00:47:47,765 --> 00:47:51,168 COLIN: Rod very kindly was coaching me from the control room. 977 00:47:51,201 --> 00:47:53,203 I was in the live room, 978 00:47:53,236 --> 00:47:55,005 and Rod was just saying to me, "You know, Colin, 979 00:47:55,038 --> 00:47:58,575 "that phrase is on the beat, and this bit is pushed. 980 00:47:58,609 --> 00:48:01,077 "And it's not quite coming together." 981 00:48:01,111 --> 00:48:04,214 And I was aware that we were running out of money 982 00:48:04,247 --> 00:48:05,916 and at the same time, unfortunately, 983 00:48:05,949 --> 00:48:08,719 I had a big clock right in front of me 984 00:48:08,752 --> 00:48:10,987 with a red light showing we're recording. 985 00:48:11,021 --> 00:48:15,358 The clock's ticking, and Rod's going, "Not... Not quite." 986 00:48:15,392 --> 00:48:17,528 So things started to get a bit more heated. 987 00:48:17,561 --> 00:48:20,363 It's not his fault. It was right what he was doing. 988 00:48:20,397 --> 00:48:22,332 But I was starting to panic, 989 00:48:22,365 --> 00:48:25,202 -and the language just got worse. -He was saying to me, 990 00:48:25,235 --> 00:48:27,604 "If you're so fucking good, you come in and do it." 991 00:48:27,638 --> 00:48:31,174 I said, "Oh, come on, Colin." You know? "We're nearly there." (LAUGHS) 992 00:48:31,208 --> 00:48:33,210 I do apologize for all this language. 993 00:48:33,243 --> 00:48:36,046 ROD: And he said to me, "You're the fucking lead singer. 994 00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:39,450 "You stand there till you get it fucking right." 995 00:48:39,483 --> 00:48:41,384 I think some of that was in your head, actually. 996 00:48:41,418 --> 00:48:45,121 -I... I think I was much more supportive than that. -(LAUGHS) 997 00:48:45,155 --> 00:48:46,690 But anyway, it always intrigues me 998 00:48:46,724 --> 00:48:48,592 that at the same time we're singing, 999 00:48:48,625 --> 00:48:52,963 -"It's the time of the season..." -BOTH: "...for loving." 1000 00:48:52,996 --> 00:48:55,766 And this language is going backwards and forwards. 1001 00:48:55,799 --> 00:48:59,570 But anyway, we managed, probably with about five seconds to go 1002 00:48:59,603 --> 00:49:02,038 before the money ran out and they pulled the plug. 1003 00:49:04,007 --> 00:49:06,810 ROD: Everyone really gave everything they got to the album. 1004 00:49:06,844 --> 00:49:09,446 And the input that we got from the technical side of things, 1005 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,217 including the engineers, was exactly how we were thinking and what we needed. 1006 00:49:14,251 --> 00:49:17,087 And so we were, you know, like kids... 1007 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,090 -In a sweet shop. (LAUGHS) -In a sweet shop, yeah. 1008 00:49:20,123 --> 00:49:22,960 Terry Quirk, who was our other flatmate... 1009 00:49:22,993 --> 00:49:25,496 He came up with the original album cover design. 1010 00:49:25,529 --> 00:49:29,132 TERRY: You haven't seen this yet. Color disc. 1011 00:49:29,165 --> 00:49:31,434 I think we've got about six versions of Odessey and Oracle now. 1012 00:49:31,468 --> 00:49:33,504 It was always known from the moment 1013 00:49:33,537 --> 00:49:35,706 that they were going to do an album, that I would do the artwork. 1014 00:49:35,706 --> 00:49:37,808 1015 00:49:39,276 --> 00:49:44,147 Now, I want her, she wants me 1016 00:49:44,180 --> 00:49:47,918 TERRY: I was sitting on the steps of Abbey Road, Studio 3. 1017 00:49:47,951 --> 00:49:50,120 I drew around an old record sleeve, 1018 00:49:50,153 --> 00:49:54,024 and up comes the word "Odessey," chatter, chatter, and "Oracle." 1019 00:49:54,057 --> 00:49:56,426 And I thought, "Ah, that works. Obviously Oracle." 1020 00:49:56,459 --> 00:49:58,695 And I said, "How about this?" and held it up to them. 1021 00:49:58,729 --> 00:49:59,997 And they said, "Oh, exactly like that. 1022 00:50:00,030 --> 00:50:01,865 "But you know what it's all about. 1023 00:50:01,899 --> 00:50:03,433 "Put some figures in, put some pictures in like that." 1024 00:50:03,466 --> 00:50:05,135 CHRIS: Nice flowery thing. 1025 00:50:05,168 --> 00:50:09,640 We hadn't noticed that it was "E" instead of "Y" 1026 00:50:09,673 --> 00:50:12,643 until the record was ready to be released. 1027 00:50:12,676 --> 00:50:16,513 TERRY: So the whole thing was done in about two and a half weeks, 1028 00:50:16,547 --> 00:50:18,682 and they were on tour. They'd gone off somewhere, so no one could see it. 1029 00:50:18,715 --> 00:50:20,150 No one could vet it. 1030 00:50:20,183 --> 00:50:22,619 And then, of course, it went off, and it had the, um... 1031 00:50:22,653 --> 00:50:26,222 spelling mistake. (LAUGHS) 1032 00:50:26,256 --> 00:50:28,992 One of the best spelling mistakes I ever made. (CHUCKLES) 1033 00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:32,329 ROD: So I made up this story that it was a play on words. 1034 00:50:32,362 --> 00:50:35,465 On the word "ode" and the word "odyssey" meaning "journey." 1035 00:50:35,498 --> 00:50:39,202 And it was like a journey in song, you know? 1036 00:50:39,235 --> 00:50:42,573 And everybody believed it until one day in the 90s on an interview. 1037 00:50:42,606 --> 00:50:46,242 I was there with Colin and I told the real story, and Colin looked at me. 1038 00:50:46,276 --> 00:50:50,313 He said, "What?" He's saying, "Of all these years, 1039 00:50:50,347 --> 00:50:53,183 "you know, I believed this was intentional." 1040 00:50:53,216 --> 00:50:57,754 And when we finished the album, we played at CBS, and they loved it. 1041 00:50:57,754 --> 00:51:03,493 I hope you're feeling better Baby 1042 00:51:05,128 --> 00:51:10,400 While you are far away 1043 00:51:12,435 --> 00:51:17,841 Until they set you free again 1044 00:51:19,977 --> 00:51:24,781 Hoping you're okay 1045 00:51:24,815 --> 00:51:26,349 COLIN: We released the first single. 1046 00:51:26,383 --> 00:51:29,853 It was "Care of Cell 44," which personally to my ears 1047 00:51:29,887 --> 00:51:31,788 is probably the most commercial track. 1048 00:51:31,822 --> 00:51:34,124 'Cause it was upbeat, it was snappy, 1049 00:51:34,157 --> 00:51:36,760 and it was different about somebody being in prison. 1050 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,997 THE ZOMBIES: 1051 00:51:41,765 --> 00:51:46,136 It seemed that our work had become 1052 00:51:46,169 --> 00:51:48,538 much more sophisticated with Odessey and Oracle. 1053 00:51:48,571 --> 00:51:51,942 We lied to him. We thought it was the best thing we could do at the time. 1054 00:51:51,975 --> 00:51:54,044 (RADIO STATIC) 1055 00:51:54,077 --> 00:51:56,079 KENNY EVERETT: You can't beat The Zombies, kids. 1056 00:51:56,113 --> 00:51:58,581 That's from their new LP, which is the album of the century. 1057 00:51:58,615 --> 00:52:00,550 -Hello, Zombies. -THE ZOMBIES: Hello. 1058 00:52:00,583 --> 00:52:01,818 KENNY: Hang on. I'll turn your microphone on. 1059 00:52:01,852 --> 00:52:03,386 There you go, say it again. 1060 00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:04,988 -THE ZOMBIES: Hello, Ken. -KENNY: (LAUGHS) That's better. 1061 00:52:05,022 --> 00:52:06,657 I hear you've all split up, then. 1062 00:52:06,690 --> 00:52:09,426 COLIN: Yeah. Well, you know, we've been slogging away 1063 00:52:09,459 --> 00:52:11,161 -for three and a half years... -KENNY: Yeah? 1064 00:52:11,194 --> 00:52:12,629 COLIN: ...and we thought we'd give this a go, 1065 00:52:12,663 --> 00:52:14,831 producing all our own records and things. 1066 00:52:14,865 --> 00:52:16,833 And in fact, we've produced an LP, which is coming out soon. 1067 00:52:16,867 --> 00:52:20,403 The last record was from the LP, and nothing happened to it. So, uh... 1068 00:52:20,437 --> 00:52:21,805 KENNY: How long has the LP been out? 1069 00:52:21,838 --> 00:52:24,407 COLIN: No, it's out on... on the 19th, in actual fact. 1070 00:52:24,441 --> 00:52:25,842 KENNY: Well, wouldn't it be better to wait 1071 00:52:25,876 --> 00:52:27,610 until the LP is maybe a huge success, 1072 00:52:27,644 --> 00:52:29,412 and then decide whether to go? 1073 00:52:29,446 --> 00:52:31,414 COLIN: Well, if the LP is a huge success, 1074 00:52:31,448 --> 00:52:33,850 -then maybe we come back again. -KENNY: Come back in again? Okay. 1075 00:52:33,884 --> 00:52:38,088 At the time, it wasn't something which automatically appealed to people. 1076 00:52:38,121 --> 00:52:40,924 Supporters like that were few and far between. 1077 00:52:40,958 --> 00:52:45,462 COLIN: We got one very good review in Disc magazine from Penny Valentine. 1078 00:52:45,495 --> 00:52:50,366 I remember this. But in general, the single was ignored. 1079 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,971 And at that time, singles were all-important. 1080 00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:56,139 It was at the time you put records out, 1081 00:52:56,173 --> 00:53:00,043 if they don't go, then that's that. We try something else. 1082 00:53:00,077 --> 00:53:05,448 COLIN: Rod called a meeting in his flat that he shared with Chris White. 1083 00:53:05,482 --> 00:53:08,284 Paul Atkinson, our guitarist, had just got married. 1084 00:53:08,318 --> 00:53:12,322 He'd been approached to join a computer company with really good money. 1085 00:53:12,355 --> 00:53:14,357 He's in a very difficult position. 1086 00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:18,328 He started the meeting off by saying, "Guys, look, 1087 00:53:18,361 --> 00:53:22,099 "I've just got married, I've got no money, I have to leave the band." 1088 00:53:23,433 --> 00:53:27,237 And then, uh, Rod said, "Well, if Paul's leaving, you know, 1089 00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:32,342 "this is the time that maybe we should think about finishing the band." 1090 00:53:32,375 --> 00:53:35,245 ROD: Chris and I certainly felt that it might be in the air 1091 00:53:35,278 --> 00:53:37,147 that we would be splitting up because of everything 1092 00:53:37,180 --> 00:53:41,151 that had been going on, and we were feeling a little bit 1093 00:53:41,184 --> 00:53:44,121 embattled and... and sort of put down. 1094 00:53:45,188 --> 00:53:47,858 It seemed our luck had run out. 1095 00:53:47,891 --> 00:53:51,361 Some of the band felt more strongly that Odessey and Oracle 1096 00:53:51,394 --> 00:53:54,531 was probably going to be our last album. 1097 00:53:54,564 --> 00:53:56,432 I... I wasn't thinking like that. 1098 00:53:56,466 --> 00:54:00,103 I knew things weren't going so well. 1099 00:54:00,137 --> 00:54:04,908 But I still thought that there was a possibility of a future. 1100 00:54:04,941 --> 00:54:08,711 HUGH: Personally, I would have loved to have carried on in the sense that 1101 00:54:08,745 --> 00:54:10,914 maybe we could have weathered the storm, as some other bands... 1102 00:54:10,947 --> 00:54:12,749 I think I would have done as well. 1103 00:54:12,783 --> 00:54:16,253 -But at the same time, I understood the situation. -We... Absolutely. 1104 00:54:16,286 --> 00:54:18,688 You know, Paul definitely had to leave. 1105 00:54:18,721 --> 00:54:20,190 -That's how he felt. -CHRIS: Yeah. 1106 00:54:20,223 --> 00:54:21,558 COLIN: And so the band ended. 1107 00:54:21,591 --> 00:54:24,061 But I certainly would have liked the band to have kept going. 1108 00:54:24,094 --> 00:54:26,596 I could have weathered the storm financially. 1109 00:54:26,629 --> 00:54:27,898 I didn't have any money. 1110 00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:31,534 -But as a musician, you learn... You always... -You get by. 1111 00:54:31,568 --> 00:54:34,905 It's one of the things you learn early on, is how to survive. 1112 00:54:34,938 --> 00:54:36,973 -Yeah, sure. -I... I would have been really interested 1113 00:54:37,007 --> 00:54:39,976 to know what we would have done next. 1114 00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:42,712 -Would have been fascinating, wouldn't it? I agree. -COLIN: Yeah. 1115 00:54:42,745 --> 00:54:45,982 I remember leaving Rod's flat after this discussion, 1116 00:54:46,016 --> 00:54:49,452 and feeling a bit numb, really. 1117 00:54:49,485 --> 00:54:55,826 Partly because it was saying goodbye to everything that we had done. 1118 00:54:55,859 --> 00:54:58,128 And also partly, maybe because... um... 1119 00:54:59,529 --> 00:55:01,497 I didn't have a plan B. 1120 00:55:01,531 --> 00:55:03,666 I didn't know what I was going to do. 1121 00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:05,202 I had... I had no idea. 1122 00:55:06,269 --> 00:55:09,505 And so, yeah, I... I felt pretty devastated by it. 1123 00:55:09,539 --> 00:55:14,211 ( SHE'S NOT THERE PLAYS, ENDS) 1124 00:55:15,378 --> 00:55:18,014 COLIN: Somebody thought I was depressed. 1125 00:55:18,048 --> 00:55:22,853 I had a wonderful six week session with a psychiatrist. 1126 00:55:22,886 --> 00:55:25,755 One of the first things she said to me was that I'm a people pleaser. 1127 00:55:25,788 --> 00:55:28,258 I want... I want people to like me. 1128 00:55:28,291 --> 00:55:30,360 And I think one of the reasons 1129 00:55:30,393 --> 00:55:33,830 was that it was a slightly strange family background. 1130 00:55:33,864 --> 00:55:36,199 I don't think they knew how to react to me, really. 1131 00:55:37,634 --> 00:55:39,970 I was adopted, 1132 00:55:40,003 --> 00:55:44,274 and my mother was the sister of my birth mother. 1133 00:55:44,307 --> 00:55:49,612 In the 40s, it was a very difficult time to have a child 1134 00:55:49,646 --> 00:55:53,683 and not be married, so we had to kind of patch things up at home. 1135 00:55:53,716 --> 00:55:58,621 My grandfather was very strict, and so it was a big family secret. 1136 00:55:58,655 --> 00:56:01,291 But I think it gradually seeped out. 1137 00:56:01,324 --> 00:56:03,193 'Cause he was very cold. 1138 00:56:03,226 --> 00:56:06,129 I don't remember him ever speaking to me, 1139 00:56:06,163 --> 00:56:08,698 and I spent a lot of time in his house. 1140 00:56:08,731 --> 00:56:12,002 So, it was probably a bit confusing for a young boy, 1141 00:56:12,035 --> 00:56:13,703 so, sort of, desperate to be liked. 1142 00:56:15,372 --> 00:56:18,308 My birth mother came to live with my adoptive mother 1143 00:56:18,341 --> 00:56:20,643 for, sort of, six or seven months 1144 00:56:20,677 --> 00:56:22,245 so that her family didn't know. 1145 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,748 And then as soon as I was born, 1146 00:56:25,782 --> 00:56:29,585 she put on her baggy jumper and got on the bus and went back 1147 00:56:29,619 --> 00:56:33,523 to see her parents, and... and didn't say anything. 1148 00:56:33,556 --> 00:56:37,260 And although I was told from a very early age that I was adopted, 1149 00:56:37,294 --> 00:56:39,829 I didn't know who my birth mother was 1150 00:56:39,862 --> 00:56:43,599 until probably I was about 28 or 30. 1151 00:56:43,633 --> 00:56:47,704 The really sad thing was she phoned me as she was getting older 1152 00:56:47,737 --> 00:56:51,341 and said, "Look, I want... I want you to come down and have a talk." 1153 00:56:51,374 --> 00:56:53,443 But by now, she was married to someone else, 1154 00:56:53,476 --> 00:56:56,879 and he kept filling up these really strong drinks, 1155 00:56:56,913 --> 00:56:59,549 and eventually he got tired and went to bed... 1156 00:56:59,582 --> 00:57:02,685 thank heavens... and we had our talk. 1157 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:05,322 But in the morning when I woke up, 1158 00:57:06,456 --> 00:57:08,758 I couldn't remember very much. 1159 00:57:08,791 --> 00:57:12,062 I remembered bits and pieces of... 1160 00:57:12,095 --> 00:57:14,998 She told me about how everything happened. 1161 00:57:16,132 --> 00:57:17,600 They were strange times. 1162 00:57:17,633 --> 00:57:20,136 They didn't know if they were going to live or die. 1163 00:57:20,170 --> 00:57:24,607 She met a very charming American serviceman, 1164 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,945 and they had an affair just before he went into France. 1165 00:57:28,979 --> 00:57:32,482 He got injured and he eventually went back, 1166 00:57:32,515 --> 00:57:36,386 and he just drifted out of everyone's life after that. 1167 00:57:36,419 --> 00:57:38,654 And she said, "You know, 1168 00:57:38,688 --> 00:57:42,392 "he could get fresh eggs," and I thought... (LAUGHS) 1169 00:57:43,626 --> 00:57:46,129 "Wow, well..." (LAUGHS) 1170 00:57:46,162 --> 00:57:51,101 "So that's how I came about. Half a dozen fresh eggs." (LAUGHING) You know? 1171 00:57:51,134 --> 00:57:53,470 I'm only joking. I mean, I'm sure they were in love. 1172 00:57:53,503 --> 00:57:55,405 So, we had this talk. 1173 00:57:55,438 --> 00:57:58,041 But what she didn't tell me was that she was dying, 1174 00:57:59,542 --> 00:58:05,248 and a few weeks later, she died. 1175 00:58:05,282 --> 00:58:10,920 So I just remembered a few of the things she said. That he could get fresh eggs. 1176 00:58:13,556 --> 00:58:15,525 And, uh... 1177 00:58:15,558 --> 00:58:16,359 So that was that. 1178 00:58:24,734 --> 00:58:26,836 (MUSIC STARTS) 1179 00:58:26,869 --> 00:58:29,506 PRESENTER: Welcome to the future of rock and roll. 1180 00:58:29,539 --> 00:58:31,808 Once, long ago, Rod Argent and Chris White 1181 00:58:31,841 --> 00:58:33,943 formed the nucleus of the Zombies. 1182 00:58:33,976 --> 00:58:36,046 Then they formed Argent. 1183 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:39,982 Their latest album went to the top five, and their single from it was a monster. 1184 00:58:40,016 --> 00:58:42,218 Now, their success has crossed the Atlantic. 1185 00:58:42,252 --> 00:58:45,822 ROD: Chris and I definitely wanted to carry on and stay in the business. 1186 00:58:45,855 --> 00:58:48,658 We decided to form a production company called "Nexus," 1187 00:58:48,691 --> 00:58:50,960 and with the others falling away, 1188 00:58:50,993 --> 00:58:53,163 we put the next band, Argent, together. 1189 00:58:53,196 --> 00:58:55,298 Chris was a silent member of Argent. He didn't want to play, 1190 00:58:55,332 --> 00:58:57,400 but he wanted to be involved in writing. 1191 00:58:57,434 --> 00:58:59,802 It was a time of great experimentation. 1192 00:58:59,836 --> 00:59:06,176 I, sort of, grew up learning to write songs with Colin's voice and range in mind, 1193 00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:10,580 and it was just that feeling of wanting to stretch boundaries and try things. 1194 00:59:10,613 --> 00:59:14,417 The drive was just to keep playing and keep writing. 1195 00:59:14,451 --> 00:59:17,687 CHRIS: The nice thing about working with Rod is he's open to ideas 1196 00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,989 and challenges you and suggests things. 1197 00:59:20,022 --> 00:59:22,992 There was a symbiotic, creative atmosphere, really. 1198 00:59:23,025 --> 00:59:25,195 Rod did a thing, which was incredible. 1199 00:59:25,228 --> 00:59:29,265 He basically said, "Look, we..." He's got separate writing contracts. 1200 00:59:29,299 --> 00:59:32,569 "Why don't we put our joint names on all the songs we write 1201 00:59:32,602 --> 00:59:35,605 because one song can keep us going?" 1202 00:59:35,638 --> 00:59:39,109 He did that after he'd had three hits in America, 1203 00:59:39,142 --> 00:59:41,111 and then the next song we wrote together 1204 00:59:41,144 --> 00:59:43,380 was "Hold Your Head Up," which was the next big hit. 1205 00:59:43,413 --> 00:59:45,848 HOLD YOUR HEAD UP PLAYING) 1206 00:59:51,888 --> 00:59:53,856 ROD: Chris hadn't been married long. 1207 00:59:53,890 --> 00:59:56,058 He said, "My wife's going through a very hard time, 1208 00:59:56,092 --> 00:59:59,396 "and I've written this song." And he played me the verses into the chorus. 1209 00:59:59,396 --> 01:00:04,767 Don't let it get you down 1210 01:00:04,767 --> 01:00:07,303 1211 01:00:10,173 --> 01:00:16,146 Don't let them see you cry 1212 01:00:16,146 --> 01:00:18,381 1213 01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:21,851 1214 01:00:21,851 --> 01:00:25,087 1215 01:00:25,087 --> 01:00:26,289 1216 01:00:26,322 --> 01:00:28,591 ROD: I loved it. I loved the sentiment of it. 1217 01:00:28,625 --> 01:00:31,794 If the world's on your back, if you feel that you can't take it, 1218 01:00:31,827 --> 01:00:35,165 hold your head up. You can get it. You can get through it, you know? 1219 01:00:35,198 --> 01:00:38,968 CHRIS: The first album was the freedom of doing what you wanted to do. 1220 01:00:39,001 --> 01:00:43,773 Yeah. It felt, in some ways, like a natural successor to Odessey. 1221 01:00:43,806 --> 01:00:45,375 Yeah, progressing it. Yeah. 1222 01:00:51,781 --> 01:00:54,584 I sort of switched off a bit from all that stuff. 1223 01:00:55,351 --> 01:00:56,852 I did various jobs. 1224 01:00:56,886 --> 01:01:00,756 COLIN: When Hugh left the band, he was selling cars. 1225 01:01:00,790 --> 01:01:03,393 Like me, he had to take the first job he was offered. 1226 01:01:05,228 --> 01:01:09,865 My first interview, my friend drove me and we were early. 1227 01:01:09,899 --> 01:01:13,603 So we thought, "We'll just go to the pub first." 1228 01:01:13,636 --> 01:01:15,137 It would be relaxing for me. 1229 01:01:15,171 --> 01:01:17,640 MAN: The importance of first impressions. 1230 01:01:17,674 --> 01:01:21,311 COLIN: So I went into this interview for a sales manager. 1231 01:01:21,344 --> 01:01:23,112 Firstly, I was probably a bit tipsy, 1232 01:01:23,145 --> 01:01:27,183 smelling of beer, determined to make eye contact. 1233 01:01:27,217 --> 01:01:31,120 I could tell, I was starting to freak him out because I was doing the stare-y eyes. 1234 01:01:31,153 --> 01:01:32,888 (LAUGHS) 1235 01:01:32,922 --> 01:01:36,659 I had no idea about these things, and I remember him saying, 1236 01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:41,797 "And how will you feel about selling ladies underwear into retail outlets?" 1237 01:01:41,831 --> 01:01:46,002 (CHUCKLING) I didn't know that's what the job was. 1238 01:01:46,035 --> 01:01:49,071 I'd had a couple of beers, so I probably said, "Yeah, it was fine." 1239 01:01:49,105 --> 01:01:50,573 I didn't get the job. 1240 01:01:52,074 --> 01:01:56,246 I eventually got one working for this insurance company 1241 01:01:56,279 --> 01:01:58,214 in the burglary department. 1242 01:01:58,248 --> 01:02:01,050 I go, "Burglary department?" 1243 01:02:01,083 --> 01:02:03,052 I mean, don't ask me. 1244 01:02:03,085 --> 01:02:04,654 The first couple of days 1245 01:02:04,687 --> 01:02:07,624 when I went in there, yeah, there was a little bit of pointing and... 1246 01:02:08,625 --> 01:02:10,793 and looking at me. They knew who I was, 1247 01:02:12,395 --> 01:02:15,998 and I think they really thought it was a little bit strange. 1248 01:02:16,032 --> 01:02:18,501 But that first day I went in, I had to answer the phone 1249 01:02:18,535 --> 01:02:21,904 the same as everyone else, and someone would ring up with a question about... 1250 01:02:21,937 --> 01:02:24,173 (LAUGHS) Oh, God. 1251 01:02:24,206 --> 01:02:26,242 I really... I just had to bluff. 1252 01:02:26,276 --> 01:02:29,779 So, I imagine adding up these millions... I can't count, 1253 01:02:29,812 --> 01:02:31,381 not really. 1254 01:02:31,414 --> 01:02:35,585 I can count up to 10. And each time it was millions out. 1255 01:02:35,618 --> 01:02:38,588 So I just took something in the middle. 1256 01:02:38,621 --> 01:02:41,090 It was a really, really busy, big office 1257 01:02:41,123 --> 01:02:45,227 on four or five levels, phones ringing all the time. 1258 01:02:45,261 --> 01:02:49,399 And I think that was really good for me because I was really devastated when the band ended, 1259 01:02:49,432 --> 01:02:52,201 but I didn't have time to dwell on it 1260 01:02:52,234 --> 01:02:54,671 because I was working in this crazy office. 1261 01:02:59,642 --> 01:03:03,045 ROD: A year after Odessey and Oracle came out, 1262 01:03:03,079 --> 01:03:07,717 Al Kooper, who was a really, really hot producer at the time, had just joined CBS. 1263 01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:10,286 Before I started my job. 1264 01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,254 I came to England for the first time... 1265 01:03:12,288 --> 01:03:15,091 I had never been... to shop. 1266 01:03:15,124 --> 01:03:21,798 And I bought about 40 LPs that you could not get in America. 1267 01:03:21,831 --> 01:03:24,934 And so I listened to all these LPs 1268 01:03:24,967 --> 01:03:28,137 and the Zombies album really stuck out. 1269 01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:31,307 So, I took it with me my first day of work, 1270 01:03:31,341 --> 01:03:34,477 and I made an appointment with my boss. 1271 01:03:34,510 --> 01:03:37,279 ROD: He went back to Clive Davis and said, "There's one album 1272 01:03:37,313 --> 01:03:38,514 "that you have to buy." 1273 01:03:38,548 --> 01:03:40,116 He said, "I don't care who's got it, 1274 01:03:40,149 --> 01:03:42,151 "and I don't care how much money it costs." 1275 01:03:42,184 --> 01:03:44,687 And Clive Davis said, "Well, we actually own it, 1276 01:03:44,721 --> 01:03:47,657 "but we've passed on it because we don't think it's commercial." 1277 01:03:47,690 --> 01:03:50,292 I said, "Well, I think that would be a dreadful mistake." 1278 01:03:50,326 --> 01:03:51,694 He says, "Well, what do you think is the single?" 1279 01:03:51,728 --> 01:03:53,763 I said "I think Time of the Season 1280 01:03:53,796 --> 01:03:55,765 "would be the best choice for the first one." 1281 01:03:55,798 --> 01:03:58,534 -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS) -They put out Time of the Season, 1282 01:03:58,568 --> 01:04:01,303 and they didn't really do anything for it. 1283 01:04:01,337 --> 01:04:04,006 And it... it made it on its own. 1284 01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:06,142 BROADCASTER 1: It's 19 minutes before 3:00 KY Cash got... 1285 01:04:06,175 --> 01:04:07,943 BROADCASTER 2: This is Tony Taylor. 1286 01:04:10,380 --> 01:04:12,882 Time of the Season started taking off in America. 1287 01:04:12,915 --> 01:04:16,318 One guy in Boise, Idaho, a DJ, started playing it. 1288 01:04:16,318 --> 01:04:19,288 SINGER: 1289 01:04:19,321 --> 01:04:24,494 Part of my job was to collect the 45s that I got in the mail, 1290 01:04:24,527 --> 01:04:26,396 and I had to go through them 1291 01:04:26,429 --> 01:04:29,565 and see if any of them were worth airplay. 1292 01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,835 So I picked up this record and put it on. 1293 01:04:32,869 --> 01:04:36,739 I didn't even play 16 bars, and I knew it was a hit. 1294 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,509 ROD: Over a couple of months, 1295 01:04:39,542 --> 01:04:42,412 it gradually, like a rock being thrown into a pool, 1296 01:04:42,445 --> 01:04:44,346 the ripples sort of went out. 1297 01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:49,752 People started picking up the size of it, and it suddenly caught fire in the U.S. 1298 01:04:49,786 --> 01:04:52,722 COLIN: While I was working at the insurance company, 1299 01:04:52,755 --> 01:04:57,326 Time of the Season started to go up the charts in America. 1300 01:04:57,359 --> 01:04:59,595 It took us all completely by surprise. 1301 01:04:59,629 --> 01:05:01,997 HUGH: Time of the Season came to number one, 1302 01:05:02,031 --> 01:05:04,233 but sort of too late to do much about it, sadly. 1303 01:05:04,266 --> 01:05:08,270 (SCOFFS) We should have stayed together, but everybody was doing different things then. 1304 01:05:08,304 --> 01:05:11,874 In amongst these phone calls that were about insurance, I was getting this, 1305 01:05:11,908 --> 01:05:14,744 you know, "You fancy making records anymore?" 1306 01:05:14,777 --> 01:05:17,780 One of the guys who phoned was a guy called Mike Hurst, 1307 01:05:17,814 --> 01:05:20,783 and he'd just produced the early Cat Stevens records. 1308 01:05:20,817 --> 01:05:23,786 And they were really good songs and good productions. 1309 01:05:23,820 --> 01:05:27,189 I wasn't sure if I wanted to get back into the music business, 1310 01:05:27,223 --> 01:05:29,258 but this chap was very persuasive. 1311 01:05:29,291 --> 01:05:32,361 What we agreed to do was I would leave the office 1312 01:05:32,394 --> 01:05:35,598 at 17:30 and go to this recording studio. 1313 01:05:35,631 --> 01:05:40,369 He would have finished tracks there, and I would just sing over them. 1314 01:05:40,402 --> 01:05:42,404 And he had some interesting ideas. 1315 01:05:42,438 --> 01:05:47,777 One was to rerecord She's Not There, which I was not too sure about, but... 1316 01:05:47,810 --> 01:05:50,780 (SIGHS)...at the time, it was all very experimental. 1317 01:05:50,813 --> 01:05:54,083 I didn't know if this was really getting back into the business or not. 1318 01:05:54,116 --> 01:05:56,652 For me, it was more seeing if I could still sing. 1319 01:05:56,652 --> 01:05:58,521 Why should I care? 1320 01:05:59,922 --> 01:06:02,592 COLIN: So, we rerecorded She's Not There 1321 01:06:02,625 --> 01:06:05,762 and it was someone's idea to change my name. 1322 01:06:05,795 --> 01:06:08,297 So I ended up being Neil MacArthur. 1323 01:06:08,297 --> 01:06:10,933 The way she looked 1324 01:06:10,933 --> 01:06:14,270 The color of her hair 1325 01:06:14,270 --> 01:06:17,940 Her eyes were clear and bright 1326 01:06:17,940 --> 01:06:20,910 1327 01:06:20,943 --> 01:06:24,747 To make it sound a bit fresh, and that version of She's Not There 1328 01:06:24,781 --> 01:06:28,751 by my close friend was a chart record. 1329 01:06:28,785 --> 01:06:32,922 It got in the charts, so it sort of took us all a bit by surprise 1330 01:06:32,955 --> 01:06:35,758 that suddenly I'm Neil Bloody MacArthur. 1331 01:06:35,792 --> 01:06:39,128 (LAUGHS) Bloody meeting people and calling me Neil. 1332 01:06:39,161 --> 01:06:41,297 And I didn't know if it was a noun or a verb. 1333 01:06:41,330 --> 01:06:45,301 They said, "Neil," and I'm on my knees, you know. (LAUGHS) 1334 01:06:45,334 --> 01:06:50,472 So I spent a year being Neil MacArthur, and there were three singles. 1335 01:06:50,506 --> 01:06:55,277 I'm afraid She's Not There was the only one that was a success. 1336 01:06:55,311 --> 01:06:57,847 When Time of the Season had a huge response... 1337 01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,849 It was number one in many places in the world... 1338 01:06:59,882 --> 01:07:03,185 Contractually, CBS said, "We want another album." 1339 01:07:03,218 --> 01:07:06,121 But when you start a project, you don't abandon them. 1340 01:07:06,155 --> 01:07:08,123 You do what you can. 1341 01:07:08,157 --> 01:07:11,193 And we found some old tracks which were never completed of the Zombies. 1342 01:07:11,226 --> 01:07:14,964 And then we did some new songs with Rod's group Argent. 1343 01:07:14,997 --> 01:07:16,365 It didn't come out. 1344 01:07:16,398 --> 01:07:20,002 It came out years later as an RIP album. 1345 01:07:20,036 --> 01:07:23,472 We all went our separate ways, and it wasn't until Time of the Season 1346 01:07:23,505 --> 01:07:25,975 that I thought, "I've got to get back into the music business," 1347 01:07:26,008 --> 01:07:28,210 and I applied to join CBS Records at the time. 1348 01:07:28,243 --> 01:07:31,747 PRESENTER: The world's largest recorded music company. 1349 01:07:31,781 --> 01:07:34,516 I had a connection with CBS because Rod and I were working with them, 1350 01:07:34,550 --> 01:07:36,185 and got him a job there. 1351 01:07:36,218 --> 01:07:38,888 PRESENTER: Bringing the world the music it wants to hear 1352 01:07:38,921 --> 01:07:42,157 takes a team effort by thousands of CBS people. 1353 01:07:42,191 --> 01:07:47,229 So I became AandR man, and found quite a few acts that had hit records. 1354 01:07:47,262 --> 01:07:49,999 My job then was to listen to tapes that were sent in 1355 01:07:50,032 --> 01:07:52,034 for budding groups, singers, et cetera, 1356 01:07:52,068 --> 01:07:57,406 and present whoever I thought might be successful to the higher management. 1357 01:07:57,439 --> 01:07:59,241 So I'm listening to them all every day, 1358 01:07:59,274 --> 01:08:04,113 and you can listen to the first 10, 20 seconds and go, "No." 1359 01:08:04,146 --> 01:08:06,582 But one tape, I played the whole thing, and I thought, 1360 01:08:06,616 --> 01:08:08,951 "This is... This is something really special." 1361 01:08:08,985 --> 01:08:11,854 And I went down to see the group play, 1362 01:08:11,888 --> 01:08:16,125 and they just knocked my socks off, and I thought, "This is going to be huge." 1363 01:08:16,158 --> 01:08:18,094 So I had all the guys sat there in the office, 1364 01:08:18,127 --> 01:08:20,596 and I said, "These guys, they were unbelievable, 1365 01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:22,031 "and I've been to see them play. 1366 01:08:22,064 --> 01:08:24,366 "They're looking for an advance of this or..." 1367 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,936 and blah de blah, and their management and so on. 1368 01:08:26,969 --> 01:08:29,438 And they said, "No, we can't afford that." 1369 01:08:29,471 --> 01:08:31,941 And I said, "You watch, 1370 01:08:31,974 --> 01:08:38,214 "in the next year or so, Queen..." and that's who it was, "...will be huge." 1371 01:08:38,247 --> 01:08:41,117 And sure enough, they were. So they missed out. 1372 01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:44,053 Paul went into computers and then, same thing, 1373 01:08:44,086 --> 01:08:46,956 basically, I said, "Why don't you work at CBS in London?" 1374 01:08:46,989 --> 01:08:49,425 COLIN: He never lost his love of music. 1375 01:08:49,458 --> 01:08:54,263 He had an amazing ear, and went on to work as an AandR man. 1376 01:08:54,296 --> 01:08:59,168 ROD: Then became a big record company executive, and I think he joined RCA later. 1377 01:08:59,201 --> 01:09:03,906 COLIN: He was finding artists and helping them in their careers. 1378 01:09:03,940 --> 01:09:07,843 What they went through certainly impacted how he related with all the artists 1379 01:09:07,877 --> 01:09:09,611 that he approached to sign. 1380 01:09:09,645 --> 01:09:12,014 ROD: He found ABBA. 1381 01:09:12,047 --> 01:09:13,348 No one wanted to sign them at first. 1382 01:09:13,382 --> 01:09:14,650 CHRIS: He signed Bruce Hornsby. 1383 01:09:14,684 --> 01:09:16,518 COLIN: Mr. Mister. 1384 01:09:16,551 --> 01:09:20,422 He signed many great artists, and he worked a lot with the Beach Boys. 1385 01:09:20,456 --> 01:09:24,260 He tried to give new life to some of these catalog artists. 1386 01:09:24,293 --> 01:09:28,264 He did spend three weeks on Nirvana's tour bus in Seattle, 1387 01:09:28,297 --> 01:09:30,166 brought them back to his record label. 1388 01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:34,704 It didn't work out eventually, but there was a lot of people's paths that he crossed. 1389 01:09:38,540 --> 01:09:41,143 - - 1390 01:09:41,143 --> 01:09:43,312 - - 1391 01:09:43,312 --> 01:09:46,381 - - 1392 01:09:46,415 --> 01:09:49,518 So there were phony, fake Zombies, yes. 1393 01:09:49,551 --> 01:09:52,621 You can understand why, because there was a big gap. 1394 01:09:52,654 --> 01:09:56,058 If there's a vacuum, the music business will fill it, you know? 1395 01:09:56,091 --> 01:09:58,494 -Well, particularly if there's a lot of income to be made. -Exactly. 1396 01:09:58,527 --> 01:10:01,130 -Which we never made. (LAUGHS) -Exactly. 1397 01:10:01,163 --> 01:10:04,133 CHRIS: I was in America, and CBS... Paul Atkinson 1398 01:10:04,166 --> 01:10:06,969 sent me a tape over, and he knew they were fake. 1399 01:10:07,003 --> 01:10:09,305 The bass player was called Hugh Grundy, you see. 1400 01:10:09,338 --> 01:10:11,808 How many people in the group are actually from England? 1401 01:10:11,841 --> 01:10:13,475 Just yourself or anybody else? 1402 01:10:13,509 --> 01:10:14,711 -Only one. -Only one? 1403 01:10:14,744 --> 01:10:17,747 Well, we got, uh, Gary, our lead singer. 1404 01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:21,751 COLIN: There were two fake Zombies, and they suggested that Chris White 1405 01:10:21,784 --> 01:10:26,088 ring the manager of one of the fake Zombies and try and get the story. 1406 01:10:26,121 --> 01:10:28,224 "What's happening?" Chris rings them up... 1407 01:10:28,257 --> 01:10:30,359 I said, "Look, they're not the real Zombies. 1408 01:10:30,392 --> 01:10:31,693 "I'm one of the original Zombies, 1409 01:10:31,728 --> 01:10:32,728 "and they're not the real Zombies." 1410 01:10:32,762 --> 01:10:34,530 He said, "How do I know?" 1411 01:10:34,563 --> 01:10:37,266 He said, "All we know is that Colin Blunstone 1412 01:10:37,299 --> 01:10:39,902 "died in a car crash, and someone else has taken over. 1413 01:10:39,935 --> 01:10:41,537 "And these are the real Zombies." 1414 01:10:41,570 --> 01:10:44,373 -I didn't know you were killed in a car crash. -Well, I keep it quiet. 1415 01:10:44,406 --> 01:10:50,246 This was published in Rolling Stone, this guy explaining that I abruptly died. 1416 01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:53,916 One of them had two guys from ZZ Top. 1417 01:10:53,949 --> 01:10:55,617 CHRIS: Yeah, so that was a problem. 1418 01:10:55,650 --> 01:10:58,687 We couldn't stop them because we weren't in existence anymore. 1419 01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:03,725 And under American law, you can't sue somebody pretending to be you. 1420 01:11:03,759 --> 01:11:07,096 Everyone said, "We're going out as a fake ZZ Top when they finish." 1421 01:11:09,464 --> 01:11:11,466 COLIN: I was coming home from a party with Chris White, 1422 01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:13,969 and he said, "Listen, why don't you forget 1423 01:11:14,003 --> 01:11:18,574 "this Neil MacArthur stuff, and Rod and I have got a production company 1424 01:11:18,607 --> 01:11:23,112 "and we'd really like to record a solo album with you." 1425 01:11:23,145 --> 01:11:24,746 CHRIS: It was just that he was such a good singer, 1426 01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:28,818 and like what he was trying to do, it wasn't as good as the original. 1427 01:11:28,851 --> 01:11:32,554 COLIN: I was just dipping my toe into the water of the music business 1428 01:11:32,588 --> 01:11:36,125 to see if I wanted to start again. 1429 01:11:36,158 --> 01:11:38,260 CHRIS: The thing about Colin, he didn't think he was a great singer, 1430 01:11:38,294 --> 01:11:41,964 basically, at heart, which was ridiculous. 1431 01:11:41,997 --> 01:11:45,267 COLIN: I just think I should have learned more about my craft. 1432 01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:48,838 I never had the confidence of most lead singers. 1433 01:11:48,871 --> 01:11:51,140 I just fell into that position. 1434 01:11:51,173 --> 01:11:54,076 CHRIS: Rod and I encouraged him to say, "We can do an album." 1435 01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:58,314 We wanted to make an album that was fairly avant-garde and forward looking. 1436 01:11:58,347 --> 01:12:00,082 It was quite adventurous, really, 1437 01:12:00,116 --> 01:12:03,619 because we wanted to include a string quartet arrangement. 1438 01:12:03,652 --> 01:12:05,421 Rod and I both liked Bartok. 1439 01:12:05,454 --> 01:12:07,323 We wanted something weird. 1440 01:12:07,356 --> 01:12:08,324 (MISTY ROSES PLAYING) 1441 01:12:08,324 --> 01:12:12,094 (SINGING) Like misty roses 1442 01:12:16,031 --> 01:12:18,667 1443 01:12:20,202 --> 01:12:24,073 To leave alone 1444 01:12:26,508 --> 01:12:29,879 COLIN: And because The Zombies had always recorded really quickly, 1445 01:12:29,912 --> 01:12:31,981 it really struck me as strange 1446 01:12:32,014 --> 01:12:35,684 that we actually took a year to complete this album. 1447 01:12:35,717 --> 01:12:39,621 Firstly, I think, because we were looking for a musical direction, 1448 01:12:39,655 --> 01:12:43,325 and then also because Rod was working a lot with Argent. 1449 01:12:43,359 --> 01:12:46,695 And so, he often would be traveling, and he wouldn't be available. 1450 01:12:46,728 --> 01:12:49,899 And hence, the album was called One Year. 1451 01:12:49,932 --> 01:12:52,801 ROD: We moved away from the really avant-garde, 1452 01:12:52,834 --> 01:12:56,372 but we still did quite a lot with, uh, small string sections. 1453 01:12:56,405 --> 01:12:59,408 And we got a huge hit in Europe 1454 01:12:59,441 --> 01:13:01,076 with Say You Don't Mind, the Denny Laine song. 1455 01:13:01,110 --> 01:13:04,413 We used to play it in the Zombies, 1456 01:13:04,446 --> 01:13:06,048 but then thought we'd do it differently. 1457 01:13:06,081 --> 01:13:10,285 (PLAYING SAY YOU DON'T MIND) 1458 01:13:10,285 --> 01:13:12,254 1459 01:13:12,254 --> 01:13:15,424 Some kind of fool... 1460 01:13:18,293 --> 01:13:22,064 COLIN: I did play live quite a lot, but especially on that album. 1461 01:13:22,097 --> 01:13:24,533 I did the first ELO tour. 1462 01:13:24,566 --> 01:13:26,936 Because there's bands on some of the tracks 1463 01:13:26,969 --> 01:13:29,604 and strings on some of the other tracks, 1464 01:13:29,638 --> 01:13:31,440 it got quite expensive. 1465 01:13:31,473 --> 01:13:34,543 You know, there's so many players on the stage. 1466 01:13:34,543 --> 01:13:36,845 You'll let me off this time 1467 01:13:36,878 --> 01:13:38,847 But I just remember one show. 1468 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,716 ELO had a lot of gear. 1469 01:13:40,749 --> 01:13:42,751 We had a lot of gear. 1470 01:13:42,784 --> 01:13:45,687 As they moved their amps into position, 1471 01:13:45,721 --> 01:13:48,857 they made a complete semicircle. 1472 01:13:48,890 --> 01:13:50,125 And I couldn't get on the stage, 1473 01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:52,261 physically, couldn't get on the stage. 1474 01:13:52,294 --> 01:13:55,297 I had to climb up the amps. 1475 01:13:55,330 --> 01:13:58,968 The first sight that the managers and the executives of CBS 1476 01:13:59,001 --> 01:14:00,902 had of me as a solo artist, 1477 01:14:00,936 --> 01:14:05,640 (LAUGHING) with my bum coming down the other side of the amps. 1478 01:14:05,674 --> 01:14:07,276 And at the end of the tour, 1479 01:14:07,309 --> 01:14:10,279 I'd been carrying nine musicians and crew, 1480 01:14:10,312 --> 01:14:13,148 and there was a real rogue promoter, 1481 01:14:13,182 --> 01:14:14,783 and he just said, "I'm not paying you." 1482 01:14:15,985 --> 01:14:17,286 It's the same as The Zombies. 1483 01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:19,921 I've just realized this is... it's the same story. 1484 01:14:19,955 --> 01:14:23,192 Luckily, thank heavens, CBS paid the bills. 1485 01:14:24,926 --> 01:14:25,961 (AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1486 01:14:25,995 --> 01:14:29,164 I stopped playing live in about 1974, 1487 01:14:29,198 --> 01:14:31,400 and I just made records, and then, eventually, commercials. 1488 01:14:34,303 --> 01:14:37,573 This jukebox was a present for my wife. 1489 01:14:37,606 --> 01:14:39,475 It's a 1960 Rock-Ola. 1490 01:14:39,508 --> 01:14:41,477 -(CLINKS) -(JUKEBOX WHIRRING) 1491 01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:43,312 It just brings back memories for me 1492 01:14:43,345 --> 01:14:45,781 of when I first went to cafes and played, 1493 01:14:45,814 --> 01:14:47,116 you know, Elvis. 1494 01:14:47,149 --> 01:14:49,018 (SOFT WHIRRING) 1495 01:14:52,187 --> 01:14:55,224 (GOD GAVE ROCK and ROLL TO YOU PLAYING) 1496 01:15:03,465 --> 01:15:05,301 ROD: With Argent in the '70s, 1497 01:15:05,334 --> 01:15:07,603 I always wanted to push boundaries 1498 01:15:07,636 --> 01:15:10,439 and to try out new things and see where they went, 1499 01:15:10,472 --> 01:15:12,341 which caused a bit of creative tension, 1500 01:15:12,374 --> 01:15:14,976 I think, and in the end it worked against us. 1501 01:15:15,010 --> 01:15:18,480 It was getting too progressive for my writing, so I said to Rod, 1502 01:15:18,514 --> 01:15:21,183 "Look, why don't we just go our different ways," and... 1503 01:15:21,216 --> 01:15:23,652 that's when it... that's when it ended. 1504 01:15:23,685 --> 01:15:25,854 ROD: After Argent, I came off the road. 1505 01:15:25,887 --> 01:15:29,325 I've got the great joy of having a loving wife. 1506 01:15:29,358 --> 01:15:30,826 She would never stop me doing anything. 1507 01:15:30,859 --> 01:15:32,828 But I had a young family, 1508 01:15:32,861 --> 01:15:35,730 I'd been on the road for over 12 years, and I thought, 1509 01:15:35,764 --> 01:15:36,565 I should've been... 1510 01:15:37,666 --> 01:15:39,734 there earlier with them. 1511 01:15:39,768 --> 01:15:41,870 It is hard to balance that. 1512 01:15:41,903 --> 01:15:43,438 And I... it is something I... 1513 01:15:44,673 --> 01:15:48,043 I regret it all my life, actually, that I wasn't... there 1514 01:15:48,077 --> 01:15:49,845 when they were really little. 1515 01:15:49,878 --> 01:15:52,214 In those days, the only way to stay in touch with each other 1516 01:15:52,247 --> 01:15:54,015 was to write a letter. (CHUCKLING) And we... 1517 01:15:54,049 --> 01:15:55,450 we time it for two weeks 1518 01:15:56,185 --> 01:15:58,253 in the future, you know. 1519 01:15:58,287 --> 01:16:00,656 And I used to go to the Holiday Inn or whatever it was 1520 01:16:00,689 --> 01:16:02,424 and, uh, pick up my mail. 1521 01:16:03,058 --> 01:16:05,026 It... it was very hard 1522 01:16:05,060 --> 01:16:06,261 particularly with the young kids. 1523 01:16:07,896 --> 01:16:10,699 HUGH: Having moved into CBS and worked there, I thought, 1524 01:16:10,732 --> 01:16:12,234 "I'm okay, I'm back in the business, 1525 01:16:12,267 --> 01:16:14,002 and I'm doing something I like doing," 1526 01:16:14,035 --> 01:16:15,671 but it came to a bit of a sad ending. 1527 01:16:15,704 --> 01:16:18,374 They had a reshuffle of, uh, management, 1528 01:16:18,407 --> 01:16:21,009 and they said, "We don't need you anymore." 1529 01:16:21,042 --> 01:16:22,311 "Oh. Okay." 1530 01:16:22,911 --> 01:16:24,380 That came tough. 1531 01:16:24,413 --> 01:16:25,780 From that point on, 1532 01:16:25,814 --> 01:16:29,718 I really didn't have any direction in life, particularly. 1533 01:16:29,751 --> 01:16:32,287 And I was doing all sorts of various jobs, 1534 01:16:32,321 --> 01:16:35,691 driving jobs or whatever I could, sort of, get, really. 1535 01:16:35,724 --> 01:16:40,629 For the fun, I was playing two or three nights a week in a little trio, 1536 01:16:40,662 --> 01:16:44,366 in and around the pubs and clubs of North London. 1537 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,501 And, one point the organist left. 1538 01:16:47,269 --> 01:16:49,304 And she came along. 1539 01:16:49,338 --> 01:16:51,473 And I said, "All right, we'll give her a try." 1540 01:16:51,506 --> 01:16:53,308 I said to the singer, John, afterwards, 1541 01:16:53,342 --> 01:16:56,645 "She's rubbish. We need to get a proper keyboard player, one who can play." 1542 01:16:56,678 --> 01:16:58,947 He said, "Oh, give her a chance. Give her a chance." 1543 01:16:58,980 --> 01:17:00,882 Over the next few years, 1544 01:17:00,916 --> 01:17:02,484 she did get better and better and better. 1545 01:17:02,951 --> 01:17:04,819 A bond started forming 1546 01:17:04,853 --> 01:17:07,589 until... we married. 1547 01:17:07,623 --> 01:17:09,858 And we've been married 39 years ever since. 1548 01:17:10,759 --> 01:17:13,094 And we live very happily now 1549 01:17:13,128 --> 01:17:15,497 in a place called Minorca, 1550 01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:17,733 which is one of the Balearic Islands in the Mediterranean. 1551 01:17:17,766 --> 01:17:20,068 And I've lived there now for ten, 12 years, 1552 01:17:20,101 --> 01:17:21,370 and couldn't be happier. 1553 01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:27,609 ROD: I thought, I'm not gonna do anything of my own. 1554 01:17:27,643 --> 01:17:30,078 Just see if anything interesting happens. 1555 01:17:30,111 --> 01:17:32,347 COLIN: It led in all sorts of directions, 1556 01:17:32,381 --> 01:17:34,616 playing on other people's albums, 1557 01:17:34,650 --> 01:17:38,487 and writing music for various things on television. 1558 01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,656 We went out and produced several other people. 1559 01:17:40,689 --> 01:17:43,925 And we... we're still always in contact. 1560 01:17:43,959 --> 01:17:47,296 You know, we always asked what we thought about things we were doing, 1561 01:17:47,329 --> 01:17:48,664 gave an honest opinion, 1562 01:17:48,697 --> 01:17:51,366 which was... didn't always go down well. (CHUCKLES) 1563 01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:52,867 But, uh, you have to be honest. 1564 01:17:52,901 --> 01:17:56,004 Otherwise, there's no point in saying anything, is there? 1565 01:17:56,037 --> 01:17:58,173 ROD: If someone comes in for you to produce their album, 1566 01:17:58,207 --> 01:18:01,443 it's the most important... say, six weeks of their life, 1567 01:18:01,477 --> 01:18:04,513 and they want you there for 24 hours, giving everything, 1568 01:18:04,546 --> 01:18:06,215 and quite rightly, in a way. 1569 01:18:06,248 --> 01:18:08,484 But then, at the end of that, you move on to the next project, 1570 01:18:08,517 --> 01:18:10,319 and you've got that again and again and again. 1571 01:18:10,352 --> 01:18:12,854 And in the end, that drove me crazy 1572 01:18:12,887 --> 01:18:15,557 because it... it wasn't that I didn't enjoy it at all. 1573 01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:17,726 I thought, "I want to do some of my own stuff again now." 1574 01:18:21,330 --> 01:18:23,131 COLIN: Then a guy called Don Airey 1575 01:18:23,164 --> 01:18:24,633 started calling me and saying, 1576 01:18:24,666 --> 01:18:26,568 "You should be out playing live." 1577 01:18:26,601 --> 01:18:28,370 And I think the last time, 1578 01:18:28,403 --> 01:18:30,639 I'd had one too many Stella Artois 1579 01:18:30,672 --> 01:18:32,641 when he... when he called, 1580 01:18:32,674 --> 01:18:36,177 and I said, "Okay. All right, I'll do it." 1581 01:18:36,211 --> 01:18:38,247 And he put a wonderful band together. 1582 01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,682 One by one, those guys all got pinched. 1583 01:18:40,716 --> 01:18:42,384 They all went off and played with these big bands. 1584 01:18:42,417 --> 01:18:44,386 And I had quite a high pressure gig 1585 01:18:44,419 --> 01:18:46,855 in London with no keyboard player. 1586 01:18:46,888 --> 01:18:49,424 I thought I was gonna have a heart attack. 1587 01:18:49,458 --> 01:18:52,594 And it was at that point, in 1999, 1588 01:18:53,262 --> 01:18:54,563 I rang Rod up. 1589 01:18:57,533 --> 01:19:00,569 ROD: Well, this is my fab studio that I love working in. 1590 01:19:01,903 --> 01:19:03,238 And we stayed friends, 1591 01:19:03,272 --> 01:19:06,575 but not in... terribly close contact, you know. 1592 01:19:06,608 --> 01:19:09,545 COLIN: I didn't think Rod would wanna play life again. 1593 01:19:09,578 --> 01:19:11,112 He was very successful as a producer. 1594 01:19:11,145 --> 01:19:13,014 He'd had a lot of hits. 1595 01:19:13,048 --> 01:19:16,117 And I phoned him, and it wasn't easy for me to do this. 1596 01:19:16,150 --> 01:19:19,355 He said, "I'm doing a half dozen solo gigs. Do you fancy joining me?" 1597 01:19:19,388 --> 01:19:23,392 And I said, "No. I can't get involved in all that again. I can't bear it." 1598 01:19:23,425 --> 01:19:26,695 Because my memories were of all the practical horrors 1599 01:19:26,728 --> 01:19:28,897 that had happened touring at that time. 1600 01:19:28,930 --> 01:19:31,400 And it was only that my cousin Jim said, 1601 01:19:31,433 --> 01:19:33,935 "It's very different to that. It's nothing like that now." 1602 01:19:33,968 --> 01:19:36,104 And I said, "Well, all right, I'll do half a dozen gigs. 1603 01:19:36,137 --> 01:19:37,539 "...but I don't wanna do any more. 1604 01:19:37,573 --> 01:19:40,475 "You know, I'm committed to the studio and everything." 1605 01:19:40,509 --> 01:19:43,078 And I had such a ball doing it 1606 01:19:43,111 --> 01:19:46,481 that quite naturally it led us into working together again. 1607 01:19:50,018 --> 01:19:52,954 It was 2004, I think. 1608 01:19:52,987 --> 01:19:56,491 CHRIS: We all met up in House of Blues in Los Angeles. 1609 01:19:56,525 --> 01:19:57,826 There was a charity thing for Paul. 1610 01:19:57,859 --> 01:19:59,060 (PHONE RINGING) 1611 01:19:59,094 --> 01:20:00,429 ROD: He phoned up and said, 1612 01:20:00,462 --> 01:20:02,130 "I want to prove to my kids 1613 01:20:02,163 --> 01:20:04,265 that I actually did play in the band." 1614 01:20:04,299 --> 01:20:06,000 -Well, he had a very successful life... -Yeah. 1615 01:20:06,034 --> 01:20:07,936 -...as a record executive. -ROD: Yeah. 1616 01:20:07,969 --> 01:20:09,571 And I think he was very proud 1617 01:20:09,605 --> 01:20:10,972 -with what the Zombies had achieved. -CHRIS: Absolutely. 1618 01:20:11,005 --> 01:20:13,508 COLIN: And one of the most important things to him was 1619 01:20:13,542 --> 01:20:16,511 that he got up on stage and played with us 1620 01:20:16,545 --> 01:20:20,081 in front of his family before he died. 1621 01:20:20,115 --> 01:20:23,752 LUCY: Some of, like, my fondest memories of my dad were when 1622 01:20:23,785 --> 01:20:25,854 him and I would listen to music together. 1623 01:20:25,887 --> 01:20:30,291 He is the person that played me, like, the Prodigy for the first time, 1624 01:20:30,325 --> 01:20:33,762 and even artists like Ludacris. Like, he just... 1625 01:20:33,795 --> 01:20:36,765 he would play me artists from across tons of genres, 1626 01:20:36,798 --> 01:20:39,300 and that's really shaped 1627 01:20:39,334 --> 01:20:43,672 why I work in music and where my passion lies. 1628 01:20:43,705 --> 01:20:45,474 ROD: He said, "Will you come over and do a concert for me?" 1629 01:20:45,507 --> 01:20:46,541 And it was sort of understood 1630 01:20:46,575 --> 01:20:48,543 that it was gonna be a final concert. 1631 01:20:48,577 --> 01:20:52,113 He was very ill when it was happening, 1632 01:20:52,147 --> 01:20:54,282 so, you know, I think just 1633 01:20:54,315 --> 01:20:56,351 to be able to do that one last time 1634 01:20:56,385 --> 01:21:00,221 was just, like, something that made him feel whole. 1635 01:21:00,254 --> 01:21:04,292 With characteristic humility, Paul has never assumed too much, 1636 01:21:04,325 --> 01:21:06,327 "Would people care?" 1637 01:21:06,361 --> 01:21:09,030 (CHUCKLES) And I guess, as you can see tonight, a lot of people do. 1638 01:21:10,198 --> 01:21:12,133 ROD: We did She's Not There, 1639 01:21:12,167 --> 01:21:13,768 and we did Time of the Season. 1640 01:21:14,202 --> 01:21:16,805 And he went on stage, 1641 01:21:16,838 --> 01:21:19,975 I think it was morphine that was being fed into his arm while he was playing. 1642 01:21:20,942 --> 01:21:22,644 Very brave. 1643 01:21:22,678 --> 01:21:25,079 LUCY: When I was a teenager, I remember him 1644 01:21:25,113 --> 01:21:26,548 preparing for this big moment. 1645 01:21:26,581 --> 01:21:28,717 And to see him get up there, 1646 01:21:28,750 --> 01:21:31,820 I was just so proud. 1647 01:21:31,853 --> 01:21:36,191 I sort of realized then that it was a bigger deal than what... I thought it was. 1648 01:21:36,224 --> 01:21:38,494 Over the years, Paul has been many things to many people. 1649 01:21:38,527 --> 01:21:40,496 A gifted musician, as you know, 1650 01:21:40,529 --> 01:21:41,930 a fearless executive, 1651 01:21:42,731 --> 01:21:44,599 a patient mentor, 1652 01:21:44,633 --> 01:21:47,602 a trusted and true friend and, frankly, 1653 01:21:47,636 --> 01:21:50,939 a gutsy and determined pioneer in the business who dared to face the unknown 1654 01:21:50,972 --> 01:21:53,374 without flinching or turning away, no matter what. 1655 01:21:53,408 --> 01:21:56,011 -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) -SHADOE: But on top of that 1656 01:21:56,044 --> 01:22:00,048 is the fact that Paul... was a Zombie. 1657 01:22:00,081 --> 01:22:01,517 Whatever highlights and struggles they share, 1658 01:22:01,550 --> 01:22:04,419 the members of the Zombies have never really broken up as friends. 1659 01:22:04,453 --> 01:22:06,588 And a few years back, 1660 01:22:06,621 --> 01:22:09,057 when Rod Argent and Colin Blunstone 1661 01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:12,694 decided to re-team and bring the Zombies' legacy back alive, 1662 01:22:12,728 --> 01:22:14,629 -Paul was there to help them with an American deal. -(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1663 01:22:18,734 --> 01:22:21,135 I often meet up with people now 1664 01:22:21,169 --> 01:22:22,971 who want to talk about Paul 1665 01:22:23,004 --> 01:22:25,941 and how important he was in their life, 1666 01:22:25,974 --> 01:22:27,543 and how much they respected him 1667 01:22:27,576 --> 01:22:29,711 as a record man. 1668 01:22:29,745 --> 01:22:31,813 You know, someone who really knew the business 1669 01:22:31,846 --> 01:22:33,615 and really knew music. 1670 01:22:33,648 --> 01:22:35,083 (AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1671 01:22:35,116 --> 01:22:37,151 ROD: And he got some great people to play with him, 1672 01:22:37,185 --> 01:22:39,087 including Brian Wilson. 1673 01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,622 Brian Wilson said to him, 1674 01:22:40,655 --> 01:22:43,157 "What would you like me to play at your concert? I'll play anything." 1675 01:22:43,191 --> 01:22:45,260 And he said, "Can you play Don't Worry Baby?" 1676 01:22:45,293 --> 01:22:46,562 He said, "Well, I don't do that on stage." 1677 01:22:46,595 --> 01:22:48,497 He said, "But I'll do it for you." 1678 01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:50,465 God, when Brian played it that night. 1679 01:22:50,465 --> 01:22:53,101 -(PLAYING DON'T WORRY BABY) -(CHORUS SINGING) 1680 01:22:53,101 --> 01:22:54,703 1681 01:22:54,703 --> 01:22:56,538 (CHORUS SINGING) 1682 01:22:56,538 --> 01:23:00,008 - Turn out all right - 1683 01:23:00,041 --> 01:23:02,844 COLIN: The tears were just streaming down my cheeks 1684 01:23:02,877 --> 01:23:05,313 because I knew Brian was playing that for Paul, 1685 01:23:05,346 --> 01:23:08,483 and I knew Paul was not gonna live very much longer. 1686 01:23:08,517 --> 01:23:11,686 He died about three weeks later. 1687 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:18,359 I... I don't go a day without thinking about him and his impact that he had. 1688 01:23:18,392 --> 01:23:23,965 I look back at my father's legacy with the most beaming pride. 1689 01:23:23,999 --> 01:23:27,102 And I just have, like, the utmost respect for him, 1690 01:23:27,135 --> 01:23:29,704 and it grows more every day. 1691 01:23:29,738 --> 01:23:33,141 The song Time of the Season has that lyric, "Who's your daddy?" 1692 01:23:33,174 --> 01:23:36,044 which (CHUCKLES) resonates for me a lot, you know. 1693 01:23:36,077 --> 01:23:40,849 And it's, uh... is kind of crazy to have these songs. 1694 01:23:40,882 --> 01:23:43,718 Just being able to listen to his music 1695 01:23:43,752 --> 01:23:46,254 helped me connect with him, still. 1696 01:23:48,557 --> 01:23:50,892 (STRUMMING GUITAR) 1697 01:23:51,893 --> 01:23:53,461 CHRIS: Then I suddenly realized 1698 01:23:53,494 --> 01:23:56,331 it's 40 years since Odessey and Oracle was out. 1699 01:23:56,364 --> 01:23:59,134 So we said, "Why don't we do some things together?" 1700 01:23:59,167 --> 01:24:00,535 ROD: "...a reunion gig. 1701 01:24:00,569 --> 01:24:02,871 "And actually play Odessey and Oracle 1702 01:24:02,904 --> 01:24:04,372 "because we've never, ever played it." 1703 01:24:04,405 --> 01:24:06,908 Paying service what it meant to people. 1704 01:24:06,941 --> 01:24:09,978 COLIN: Playing it in the studio and playing it live's a different thing 1705 01:24:10,011 --> 01:24:11,880 because you have to relearn these songs. 1706 01:24:11,913 --> 01:24:13,247 HUGH: When that happened, 1707 01:24:13,281 --> 01:24:16,051 quite a... a light switched on really, I've gotta be honest. 1708 01:24:16,084 --> 01:24:18,319 "Really?" I thought, "Can we do this?" 1709 01:24:18,353 --> 01:24:20,088 (AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1710 01:24:37,438 --> 01:24:39,507 Here we are, 40 years later, 1711 01:24:39,540 --> 01:24:42,377 and for the first time this weekend ever, 1712 01:24:42,410 --> 01:24:44,913 we're playing these songs, so I hope you enjoy. (CHUCKLES) 1713 01:24:44,946 --> 01:24:47,248 (AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1714 01:24:49,951 --> 01:24:52,954 (PLAYING HUNG UP ON A DREAM) 1715 01:25:00,428 --> 01:25:05,400 (SINGING) 1716 01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:10,338 Through a crowded street 1717 01:25:10,338 --> 01:25:15,410 Shimmering through the haze 1718 01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:20,281 Resting in their hair 1719 01:25:20,314 --> 01:25:24,552 COLIN: There was huge interest in the 40th anniversary of Odessey and Oracle. 1720 01:25:24,585 --> 01:25:27,956 We originally got together to play one night in London. 1721 01:25:27,989 --> 01:25:31,059 Incidentally, grew to three nights. 1722 01:25:31,092 --> 01:25:34,730 And then we had to get together the next year to do it around the country. 1723 01:25:34,763 --> 01:25:38,466 And then we've done it across the States, and we've done it in Europe. 1724 01:25:38,499 --> 01:25:40,669 CHRIS: It was an experience capping up the end 1725 01:25:40,702 --> 01:25:42,804 of my creative life from that period. 1726 01:25:42,837 --> 01:25:45,339 I mean, it was fantastic getting the recognition 1727 01:25:45,373 --> 01:25:47,642 which we didn't get at the time. 1728 01:25:47,676 --> 01:25:50,278 HUGH: Little did I know how fantastic it would be 1729 01:25:50,311 --> 01:25:54,415 playing that album on stage in the way that we did for all those tours. 1730 01:25:54,449 --> 01:25:57,051 (AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1731 01:26:01,890 --> 01:26:05,794 (EDGE OF THE RAINBOW PLAYING) 1732 01:26:05,827 --> 01:26:10,031 COLIN: I always think of this as the second incarnation of The Zombies. 1733 01:26:10,064 --> 01:26:13,201 It's Rod Argent on keyboards and harmonies, 1734 01:26:14,002 --> 01:26:15,937 myself on lead vocals, 1735 01:26:16,905 --> 01:26:20,508 Soren Koch on bass and harmonies, 1736 01:26:20,541 --> 01:26:23,812 Tom Toomey on guitars and harmonies, 1737 01:26:23,845 --> 01:26:26,647 and Steve Rodford on drums. 1738 01:26:26,681 --> 01:26:29,650 ROD: Chris came along and saw us on a few concerts. 1739 01:26:29,684 --> 01:26:31,853 He said, "You know what? I'm all for this 1740 01:26:31,886 --> 01:26:35,156 "because you're revitalizing the legacy." 1741 01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:37,726 COLIN: With the music business and, in particular, with The Zombies, 1742 01:26:37,759 --> 01:26:40,361 I am definitely still having fun. 1743 01:26:40,361 --> 01:26:43,131 (COLIN SINGING) ...light coming through 1744 01:26:45,566 --> 01:26:47,702 ROD: Creatively, I want to keep going 1745 01:26:47,736 --> 01:26:50,338 for as long as I can, as long as I'm able. 1746 01:26:50,371 --> 01:26:52,007 That gives my life satisfaction, 1747 01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,309 and to some degree, is necessary for me. 1748 01:26:54,342 --> 01:26:56,244 And I'm still buying loads of new equipment 1749 01:26:56,277 --> 01:26:58,313 for my studio, (LAUGHS) and I'm still... 1750 01:26:58,346 --> 01:27:00,882 We're still thinking about moving on and recording. 1751 01:27:00,915 --> 01:27:02,350 And we've only just finished an album, 1752 01:27:02,383 --> 01:27:06,087 but we're thinking about how great it would be to record some more. 1753 01:27:07,889 --> 01:27:11,259 COLIN: These songs are written from the heart, 1754 01:27:11,292 --> 01:27:14,329 and the performances are performed from the heart. 1755 01:27:14,362 --> 01:27:17,165 We give everything we've got when we go on stage, 1756 01:27:17,198 --> 01:27:19,667 and I think we're rewarded for that 1757 01:27:19,700 --> 01:27:23,738 because you get out of life what you put in. 1758 01:27:23,772 --> 01:27:26,374 And it's certainly been the most exciting thing in my life, 1759 01:27:26,407 --> 01:27:28,844 the way we've managed to give this 1760 01:27:28,877 --> 01:27:31,746 a pretty wide fan base. 1761 01:27:31,780 --> 01:27:36,051 They've grown up listening to British amazing music since they were babies. 1762 01:27:36,084 --> 01:27:38,219 This will be my third time seeing them. 1763 01:27:38,253 --> 01:27:42,390 I'm a musician myself, so I'm probably more aware than most. 1764 01:27:42,423 --> 01:27:44,359 MAN: Dad loved it. Mom loved it. 1765 01:27:44,392 --> 01:27:45,459 Carried on from me. 1766 01:27:45,493 --> 01:27:48,696 WOMAN: I always knew Time of the Season 1767 01:27:48,729 --> 01:27:52,466 and just kept listening and finding new songs. 1768 01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:54,936 ROD: When you think (CHUCKLES) of how old we are now, 1769 01:27:54,969 --> 01:27:56,571 I find that extraordinary, 1770 01:27:56,604 --> 01:27:59,540 that you can relate to a present generation 1771 01:27:59,574 --> 01:28:01,910 is one of the most exciting things about touring. 1772 01:28:01,943 --> 01:28:03,144 So nice to meet you. 1773 01:28:03,177 --> 01:28:04,612 How are you, brother? 1774 01:28:04,645 --> 01:28:05,881 Yeah, nice to meet you. 1775 01:28:05,914 --> 01:28:07,916 This is fucking awesome. 1776 01:28:07,949 --> 01:28:09,150 JOHN GOURLEY: All the bands we hang out with, 1777 01:28:09,183 --> 01:28:12,087 everybody references the Zombies. 1778 01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,789 I can't even speak right now. 1779 01:28:14,823 --> 01:28:17,558 JOHN: ...which is, I mean, it's rare that you have these, like, crossroads. 1780 01:28:17,592 --> 01:28:19,227 They could be hip hop. 1781 01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:22,230 They could be anybody, and they all kind of go to it. 1782 01:28:22,263 --> 01:28:25,166 It may be my favorite album of all fucking time. 1783 01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:27,435 I've listened to it so much over the years 1784 01:28:27,468 --> 01:28:29,604 that it has to be burned into my mind. 1785 01:28:29,637 --> 01:28:32,340 One of our favorite songs ever 1786 01:28:32,373 --> 01:28:34,275 is The Way I Feel Inside. 1787 01:28:34,309 --> 01:28:36,811 Your writing and your songs were a big influence on us. 1788 01:28:36,845 --> 01:28:38,746 Colin, your voice is like 1789 01:28:38,779 --> 01:28:40,781 one of the sexiest voices in rock and roll. 1790 01:28:40,815 --> 01:28:42,650 HARRY STYLES: The melodies are incredible. 1791 01:28:42,683 --> 01:28:45,253 This Will Be Our Year is one of my favorite songs. 1792 01:28:45,286 --> 01:28:48,857 TOM PETTY: You guys are on tour again, and it's a great show. 1793 01:28:48,890 --> 01:28:50,825 I've seen it a few times. 1794 01:28:50,859 --> 01:28:52,427 RICHARD PARRY: The thing that occurred to me in seeing them tonight 1795 01:28:52,460 --> 01:28:54,329 that's super crazy is that they've, like, 1796 01:28:54,362 --> 01:28:57,665 lived through the history of live sound. 1797 01:28:57,698 --> 01:29:00,268 COLIN: If a fellow musician says to you, 1798 01:29:00,301 --> 01:29:02,437 "You know, you really influenced me when I was young." 1799 01:29:03,571 --> 01:29:05,273 It's incredible. 1800 01:29:05,306 --> 01:29:06,074 It's so... 1801 01:29:07,241 --> 01:29:09,978 invigorating. It's so energizing. 1802 01:29:10,011 --> 01:29:11,947 - (PLAYING TIME OF THE SEASON) -(EXHALES) 1803 01:29:11,980 --> 01:29:13,714 (SINGING) 1804 01:29:13,747 --> 01:29:15,483 -(CHORUS SINGING) - 1805 01:29:15,483 --> 01:29:17,953 (CHORUS SINGING) Is he rich... 1806 01:29:17,986 --> 01:29:21,456 FINNEAS: If you're a creator, you hope that you make a piece of work 1807 01:29:21,489 --> 01:29:24,725 that feels prescient and somehow also feels timeless. 1808 01:29:26,027 --> 01:29:27,362 1809 01:29:27,395 --> 01:29:29,063 I don't know how Time of the Season 1810 01:29:29,097 --> 01:29:31,432 felt to listen to in the '60s, but it sure holds up. 1811 01:29:31,432 --> 01:29:34,369 ...slowly tell you what 1812 01:29:34,402 --> 01:29:35,803 It's such a great song. 1813 01:29:36,537 --> 01:29:38,673 1814 01:29:38,673 --> 01:29:44,445 1815 01:29:47,048 --> 01:29:49,484 (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) 1816 01:29:52,687 --> 01:29:54,822 So, Colin, Rod, 1817 01:29:54,855 --> 01:29:57,892 Chris, Hugh and Paul, 1818 01:29:57,926 --> 01:30:01,429 thank you for the music and the inspiration. 1819 01:30:02,230 --> 01:30:04,098 This will be your year. 1820 01:30:04,132 --> 01:30:06,834 -It took a long time to come. -(AUDIENCE CHEERING) 1821 01:30:06,867 --> 01:30:09,837 And it's my great honor, 1822 01:30:09,870 --> 01:30:13,874 a highlight of my life, to induct the Zombies into 1823 01:30:13,908 --> 01:30:17,111 -the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. -(AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1824 01:30:21,082 --> 01:30:24,685 COLIN: We were inducted in a wonderful ceremony in front of 17,000 people 1825 01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:28,856 alongside Stevie Nicks, Janet Jackson, 1826 01:30:28,889 --> 01:30:32,527 Def Leppard, Roxy Music, Radiohead, and the Cure. 1827 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,695 It was a fantastic night. 1828 01:30:34,729 --> 01:30:36,630 I'll never ever forget it. 1829 01:30:36,664 --> 01:30:40,468 LUCY: I sat there next to Questlove, Harry Styles, (CHUCKLES) 1830 01:30:40,501 --> 01:30:43,304 Janelle Monae. I could see them all, and... 1831 01:30:43,337 --> 01:30:46,474 when they called my dad's name to get inducted, 1832 01:30:46,507 --> 01:30:50,211 I was just, like, so overcome with emotion. 1833 01:30:50,245 --> 01:30:52,313 COLIN: It's a feeling, when finally we were called. 1834 01:30:52,346 --> 01:30:55,383 It's very hard to describe... the euphoria. 1835 01:30:55,416 --> 01:30:57,485 Absolute deep joy and happiness. 1836 01:30:57,518 --> 01:31:00,288 (AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1837 01:31:02,156 --> 01:31:06,160 Thank you for such really, really gorgeous words. 1838 01:31:06,194 --> 01:31:09,764 I can say that we're absolutely thrilled 1839 01:31:09,797 --> 01:31:13,234 to have been elected to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 1840 01:31:13,268 --> 01:31:14,802 (AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1841 01:31:14,835 --> 01:31:19,340 And what a joy to have been managed perfectly, 1842 01:31:19,373 --> 01:31:23,478 for the first time in our lives over the last six years or so, 1843 01:31:23,511 --> 01:31:24,979 by Chris Tuthill, 1844 01:31:25,013 --> 01:31:28,516 Cindy da Silva, and all the team at the Rocks Management. 1845 01:31:28,549 --> 01:31:31,519 The story goes on. Thank you very much. 1846 01:31:31,552 --> 01:31:33,954 (AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1847 01:31:33,988 --> 01:31:39,427 It's actually 50 years ago, to this very day, 1848 01:31:39,460 --> 01:31:43,964 the 29th of March, 1969, 1849 01:31:43,998 --> 01:31:48,636 that Time of the Season reached the number one position in America. 1850 01:31:48,669 --> 01:31:50,738 - (PLAYING TIME OF THE SEASON) -(AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1851 01:31:56,477 --> 01:32:00,615 It took 50 years, but we suddenly got accepted. 1852 01:32:00,648 --> 01:32:02,117 COLIN: I didn't feel nervous. 1853 01:32:02,150 --> 01:32:04,519 When it's 17,000 people, 1854 01:32:04,552 --> 01:32:06,121 they lift you. 1855 01:32:06,154 --> 01:32:07,522 -COLIN: -(CHORUS SINGING) 1856 01:32:07,522 --> 01:32:09,490 - - 1857 01:32:09,524 --> 01:32:13,161 CHRIS: Four of the original five still there and playing on stage. 1858 01:32:13,194 --> 01:32:15,696 I mean, that is fantastic. 1859 01:32:15,729 --> 01:32:17,998 HUGH: This is something I would've never expected. 1860 01:32:18,032 --> 01:32:19,200 It was the pinnacle of success. 1861 01:32:19,233 --> 01:32:21,469 It was the pinnacle of achievement. 1862 01:32:21,502 --> 01:32:22,736 CHRIS: And when I looked along the stage, 1863 01:32:22,770 --> 01:32:25,573 it looked like everybody's 25 still. 1864 01:32:25,606 --> 01:32:29,077 COLIN: We knew Paul and Jim were looking down at us 1865 01:32:29,110 --> 01:32:31,879 and hopefully with their guitars in hand, playing along. 1866 01:32:31,879 --> 01:32:38,319 1867 01:32:38,353 --> 01:32:40,588 CHRIS: While we were backstage doing interviews, 1868 01:32:40,621 --> 01:32:42,890 Brian May popped his head around and said, 1869 01:32:42,923 --> 01:32:44,659 "Oh, I don't want to interrupt. 1870 01:32:44,692 --> 01:32:46,494 I'd just like to say how much you influenced Queen." 1871 01:32:47,061 --> 01:32:48,663 We never knew. 1872 01:32:48,696 --> 01:32:51,599 We'd suddenly realized that we'd influenced people. 1873 01:32:51,632 --> 01:32:53,434 And that's a fantastic feeling. 1874 01:32:53,467 --> 01:32:55,236 Didn't realize in your 70s 1875 01:32:55,269 --> 01:32:59,340 that you were successful in your 20s. 1876 01:32:59,374 --> 01:33:03,878 COLIN: And at this time in our lives, in our 70s, our career's growing. 1877 01:33:03,911 --> 01:33:05,546 All is not lost. 1878 01:33:05,580 --> 01:33:08,883 If things start to get a bit difficult in your 30s and your 40s, 1879 01:33:08,916 --> 01:33:10,418 -look at us. -(CHUCKLES) 1880 01:33:10,451 --> 01:33:13,621 (CHUCKLES) That's 77 and going strong. 1881 01:33:13,654 --> 01:33:15,789 ROD: So, it... it's a legacy left behind. 1882 01:33:15,823 --> 01:33:17,558 And it's a legacy that will go on. 1883 01:33:17,558 --> 01:33:19,960 1884 01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:26,701 1885 01:33:26,734 --> 01:33:29,470 (AUDIENCE CHEERING AND APPLAUDING) 1886 01:33:38,979 --> 01:33:39,880 COLIN: That some... 1887 01:33:41,081 --> 01:33:43,651 groups of people just click. 1888 01:33:43,684 --> 01:33:45,686 ROD: There was a symbiosis of friendship 1889 01:33:46,287 --> 01:33:48,223 which just grows. 1890 01:33:48,256 --> 01:33:50,258 -And you... you can't put your finger on it, really... -COLIN: Yeah. 1891 01:33:50,291 --> 01:33:53,728 ...but the five of us had that. 1892 01:33:53,761 --> 01:33:55,763 ROD: Shared history is part of it, wasn't it? 1893 01:33:55,796 --> 01:33:57,632 COLIN: I think so, and I... and I think it's... 1894 01:33:57,665 --> 01:34:00,668 We got together at a really young age, 1895 01:34:00,701 --> 01:34:03,171 -so we went through our formative years together. -ROD: Hmm. 1896 01:34:03,204 --> 01:34:05,173 COLIN: We knew one another's families, 1897 01:34:05,206 --> 01:34:08,075 and we come from the same area of England. 1898 01:34:08,108 --> 01:34:10,178 And all those things 1899 01:34:10,211 --> 01:34:12,012 helped create a bond, I think. 1900 01:34:15,015 --> 01:34:18,419 (WRONG WAY BY ROBERT SCHWARTZMAN PLAYING) 1901 01:34:18,453 --> 01:34:21,456 ROD: Well, I think success is fulfilling 1902 01:34:21,489 --> 01:34:24,959 creatively what you hope to do. 1903 01:34:24,992 --> 01:34:27,795 If you can move one or two people with what you do creatively, 1904 01:34:27,828 --> 01:34:29,697 and it actually makes a difference, 1905 01:34:29,730 --> 01:34:31,399 then how wonderful is that? 1906 01:34:33,033 --> 01:34:35,836 HUGH: I don't think I've thought of myself as a rock star. 1907 01:34:35,869 --> 01:34:38,872 And you know what? I don't think of myself that now either. 1908 01:34:38,906 --> 01:34:41,309 I'm just somebody who's been lucky enough 1909 01:34:41,342 --> 01:34:45,446 to have been in a great band that's had a second coming. 1910 01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:48,582 And from that little acorn did a great tree grow. 1911 01:34:51,986 --> 01:34:54,555 COLIN: Of course, there were times, when we were younger, 1912 01:34:54,588 --> 01:34:56,524 when things could've gone better for us. 1913 01:34:58,392 --> 01:35:00,828 But I'm really happy where I am in my life now, 1914 01:35:00,861 --> 01:35:03,531 so I would say, No, I don't wanna change anything. 1915 01:35:09,370 --> 01:35:10,805 CHRIS: It was luck, really. 1916 01:35:13,073 --> 01:35:15,243 Just luck that you met these five people... 1917 01:35:16,010 --> 01:35:17,144 and we got on. 1918 01:35:18,779 --> 01:35:20,748 And we're still friends to this day. 1919 01:35:22,750 --> 01:35:24,418 That's the real success. 1920 01:35:26,220 --> 01:35:28,256 (MUSIC CRESCENDOS AND ENDS) 1921 01:35:30,258 --> 01:35:32,626 (PLAYING HUNG UP ON A DREAM) 1922 01:35:40,701 --> 01:35:45,639 (SINGING) 1923 01:35:45,639 --> 01:35:51,045 Through a crowded street 1924 01:35:51,045 --> 01:35:53,447 Shimmering through the haze 1925 01:35:53,481 --> 01:35:55,049 INTERVIEWER: And my last question is, 1926 01:35:55,082 --> 01:35:56,884 have you ever challenged each other to a thumb war? 1927 01:35:56,917 --> 01:35:58,353 (COLIN AND ROD LAUGH) 1928 01:35:58,386 --> 01:36:00,220 I don't know what a thumb war is. 1929 01:36:00,254 --> 01:36:02,423 INTERVIEWER: Where you have to... you have to pin the thumb down like that? 1930 01:36:02,456 --> 01:36:04,692 -You have to pin the on down? No. -No. 1931 01:36:04,725 --> 01:36:06,193 Yeah. So, I'm not quite sure how you do it. 1932 01:36:06,226 --> 01:36:08,296 -What do you do? -INTERVIEWER: Put your hands together like this. 1933 01:36:08,329 --> 01:36:09,764 -COLIN: Like... -Like that? 1934 01:36:09,797 --> 01:36:12,533 INTERVIEWER: Yes, sir. And then you have to battle each other... 1935 01:36:12,567 --> 01:36:14,101 -(COLIN AND ROD CHUCKLE) -...until you hold it down 1936 01:36:14,134 --> 01:36:15,235 because whoever can hold it wins. 1937 01:36:15,269 --> 01:36:16,804 Oh, good God. What do you mean, like... 1938 01:36:16,837 --> 01:36:19,574 COLIN AND ROD: One, two, three, four. 1939 01:36:19,607 --> 01:36:22,076 I declare a thumb war. 1940 01:36:22,109 --> 01:36:24,044 -(COLIN EXCLAIMING) -(ROD LAUGHING) 1941 01:36:24,078 --> 01:36:26,480 (BOTH LAUGHING) 1942 01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:33,921 I think that was a draw. 1943 01:36:33,954 --> 01:36:36,657 INTERVIEWER: Will you be able to play a little guitar for us? 1944 01:36:36,690 --> 01:36:41,061 Um, I... absolutely don't want to, but I will. 1945 01:36:41,095 --> 01:36:43,664 And I have no idea if it'll work or not. 1946 01:36:43,697 --> 01:36:45,400 -Can I have a practice? -INTERVIEWER: Of course. 1947 01:36:45,433 --> 01:36:46,734 (STRUMMING GUITAR) 1948 01:36:46,767 --> 01:36:48,569 Do you know what? I said to Rod, 1949 01:36:48,603 --> 01:36:50,137 "I know you all will ask me to play this." 1950 01:36:50,170 --> 01:36:51,672 INTERVIEWER: Yeah, I really wanted to... 1951 01:36:51,705 --> 01:36:54,342 And Rod said, "Well, get him to play guitar." (SNICKERS) 1952 01:36:54,375 --> 01:36:56,844 MAN: One, two, three, and a four. 1953 01:36:56,877 --> 01:36:58,546 (PLAYING CAROLINE GOODBYE) 1954 01:37:08,689 --> 01:37:14,194 (SINGING) 1955 01:37:14,194 --> 01:37:17,365 pretty good 1956 01:37:19,133 --> 01:37:23,270 Make it in a big way 1957 01:37:24,538 --> 01:37:28,809 you would 1958 01:37:28,809 --> 01:37:32,413 Known better, yeah 1959 01:37:34,014 --> 01:37:37,751 1960 01:37:38,352 --> 01:37:41,755 (VOCALIZES) 1961 01:37:41,755 --> 01:37:44,492 It's no use pretending 1962 01:37:44,492 --> 01:37:47,528 1963 01:37:47,528 --> 01:37:50,197 1964 01:37:52,199 --> 01:37:54,735 1965 01:37:57,405 --> 01:38:01,809 1966 01:38:03,777 --> 01:38:04,712 INTERVIEWER: All right. 1967 01:38:06,246 --> 01:38:07,347 Do you know what I was thinking? 1968 01:38:07,381 --> 01:38:08,649 You know what I was thinking? 1969 01:38:08,683 --> 01:38:10,418 You haven't warmed up. You haven't warmed up. 1970 01:38:10,451 --> 01:38:11,886 And then halfway through the song, I was thinking, 1971 01:38:11,919 --> 01:38:13,654 "Okay. Breathe. 1972 01:38:13,688 --> 01:38:15,589 (CHUCKLES) Lift from your pelvic floor." 1973 01:38:15,623 --> 01:38:17,692 -(LAUGHING) -INTERVIEWER: (CLAPPING) Sing through your ass. 1974 01:38:17,725 --> 01:38:20,093 Sing through your ass. (LAUGHS) 1975 01:38:20,127 --> 01:38:21,729 It's hard to have those thoughts 1976 01:38:21,762 --> 01:38:24,031 and sing a romantic song at the same time. 1977 01:38:24,064 --> 01:38:26,166 -(LAUGHING) -(INTERVIEWER SNICKERS)